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Is it realistic to think that I'll see 200,000+ miles out of an F-150 Ecoboost (V6 w/ 4x4) in a short amount of time (<6 years)? Anyone rocking the high mileage yet? Is it realistic to expect any twin turbos to last that long?
FWIW, I'm straying from the V8 for the sake of gas mileage (150 mile a day commute plus travel). Comment on that too if you'd like while I continue searching around FTE.
Thanks all!
I guess if it was me, I would probably buy the cheapest and most simple truck I could if I knew I was going to put 200k miles in 6 years. I think the Ford's will do it but they will be worthless on resale. The engine most likely to have no problems in the ford line up is the one that drinks the most gas IMHO so it would be out. I would probably then go 5.0L. If you need another engine (heaven forbid), should be a lot easier to find and buy.
If I was commuting 150 miles a day, I'd be doing that in a C-Max or a Fiesta...not a truck. I sincerely doubt the EB is going to be a 200,000 mile engine. Ever. None of the new engines are, let alone the diesels which are traditionally higher mileage engines. Commuting, and unloaded the 5.0 gets almost the same mileage as the EB, and has less crap to break. Someone keeps saying the 5.0's have problems too, but I haven't seen a single thread showing a systemic issue with it like the EB with the CaC issues, and smoking.
Mine doesn't burn a drop, but the ones that had the bulk of the issue were the mustangs...(Gee, I wonder why). The F150's 5.0 is not the same, and is detuned. There were a few people who claimed their F150 5.0's were burning oil, but they suddenly stopped complaining back in 2011 based on the current thread positions. That's weird. The only thread I see for a 5.0 F150 burning oil in 2012 was in November, but oops...that was a 1996 5.0.
I've got 8200 miles on mine, and it hasn't moved on the dipstick.
If a turbo were to fail, it doesn't mean that the entire engine failed. The 3.5L much like the old 300 I-6 is way over built and de-tuned for it's application.
I understand that...Same could be said if it starts systemically throwing the number 4 rod though...You have your out, and I'm fine with that, but when valves start getting coked up and heads start failing, to me, that's the engine. I'm starting to see a lot of them smoking a little bit now. Usually on takeoff from a light...Probably not enough to see in the passenger mirror, but it's a pretty distinct puff. Might wanna' keep an eye on them.
But, what do I know. I'm ignorant and opinionated...like everyone else on here since nobody has a crystal ball.
I have seen quite a few 150k-200k mile vehicles come through my place of work and some ran like new, and some ran like death was near. Proper maintenance and not beating the snot out of the motor surprisingly can go a long way.
I just don't see a need for name calling. You asked a question. Ya got an answer, several of them. Before I bought my truck I ghosted on here for a month watching this same argument play out time after time. Just buy what ya want. Any motor is gonna have problems no matter what. It's silly to think otherwise . In the end I bought a 5.0 because I work on my own vehicle and it's cheaper to maintain and problems are simple for me to diagnosis. If you're gonna just take the truck to a shop or do minimum maintains at your house get whatever motor strikes your fancy. From what I have seen in the end it's really not a deal breaker either way.
Here's a simple review of some numbers that were used during development of the ecoboost:
You may have heard the myth that turbocharged engines run very hot. The EcoBoost realityis that the all-new EcoBoost turbochargers are protected from the heat with water-cooled center bearings. In the past, "coking" was a problem for many turbos since they couldn't shed heat without the engine running. The water-cooled center bearings with convection cooling (or siphoning) keep the EcoBoost engine coolant circulating after the engine is shut down helping to cool the turbos.
You may have also heard people say that they can't believe that the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine isn't powerful enough for a full-size pickup. Again the EcoBoost Reality: The all-new EcoBoost 3.5L V6 has more torque than any competitive engine and 50 more horsepower than the GM 5.3L V8 engine. Yes, you read that correctly: more power than competitive V8 engines. And we're talking a diesel engine-like broad, flat torque curve. Worth noting: EcoBoost power figures are based on regular unleaded gasoline. Extra-cost premium fuel is NOT required for EcoBoost to deliver the power.
Myth: Serious towing and hauling isn't something the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine can do. EcoBoost Reality: A 2011 F-150 properly equipped with the all-new EcoBoost 3.5L V6 can tow a best-in-class(2) 11,300 lbs. That's what having 90 percent of the 420 lb.-ft. of torque on tap between 1700 and 5000 rpm does for towing and hauling capability. No competitor - even with a V8 - matches the towing capability of EcoBoost.
Myth: The EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine isn't durable enough for serious full-size truck use. EcoBoost Reality: The all-new EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine passed all of the higher stress level testing and torture testing required of any engine with the Built Ford Tough badge. Ford powertrain engineers set the testing baseline at the harshest-level use of an F-150 customer - then pushed EcoBoost well beyond those levels. EcoBoost Testing Highlights include more than 1.5 million total hours of computer analytical time, more than 13,000 total hours of laboratory dynamometer testing, dynamometer tests help ensure 150,000-mile durability, including: more than 5000 hours at full load (full-boost) conditions as well as more than 2500 hours of testing at or above 5000 engine rpm and 1,000-hour tests to ensure dependability for even the toughest truck customer - that's almost 42 days of continuous operation. The extreme thermal cycling replicates conditions from the Arctic Circle to Death Valley to simulate 10 years of use in the harshest environments. More than 100,000 hours of in-vehicle testing that replicates extensive real-world customer
operating conditions.
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Here's a simple review of some numbers that were used during development of the ecoboost:
You may have heard the myth that turbocharged engines run very hot. The EcoBoost realityis that the all-new EcoBoost turbochargers are protected from the heat with water-cooled center bearings. In the past, "coking" was a problem for many turbos since they couldn't shed heat without the engine running. The water-cooled center bearings with convection cooling (or siphoning) keep the EcoBoost engine coolant circulating after the engine is shut down helping to cool the turbos.
You may have also heard people say that they can't believe that the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine isn't powerful enough for a full-size pickup. Again the EcoBoost Reality: The all-new EcoBoost 3.5L V6 has more torque than any competitive engine and 50 more horsepower than the GM 5.3L V8 engine. Yes, you read that correctly: more power than competitive V8 engines. And we're talking a diesel engine-like broad, flat torque curve. Worth noting: EcoBoost power figures are based on regular unleaded gasoline. Extra-cost premium fuel is NOT required for EcoBoost to deliver the power.
Myth: Serious towing and hauling isn't something the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine can do. EcoBoost Reality: A 2011 F-150 properly equipped with the all-new EcoBoost 3.5L V6 can tow a best-in-class(2) 11,300 lbs. That's what having 90 percent of the 420 lb.-ft. of torque on tap between 1700 and 5000 rpm does for towing and hauling capability. No competitor - even with a V8 - matches the towing capability of EcoBoost.
Myth: The EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine isn't durable enough for serious full-size truck use. EcoBoost Reality: The all-new EcoBoost 3.5L V6 engine passed all of the higher stress level testing and torture testing required of any engine with the Built Ford Tough badge. Ford powertrain engineers set the testing baseline at the harshest-level use of an F-150 customer - then pushed EcoBoost well beyond those levels. EcoBoost Testing Highlights include more than 1.5 million total hours of computer analytical time, more than 13,000 total hours of laboratory dynamometer testing, dynamometer tests help ensure 150,000-mile durability, including: more than 5000 hours at full load (full-boost) conditions as well as more than 2500 hours of testing at or above 5000 engine rpm and 1,000-hour tests to ensure dependability for even the toughest truck customer - that's almost 42 days of continuous operation. The extreme thermal cycling replicates conditions from the Arctic Circle to Death Valley to simulate 10 years of use in the harshest environments. More than 100,000 hours of in-vehicle testing that replicates extensive real-world customer
operating conditions.
Ford said the same thing about the 6.4 diesel too... Of course their problems started showing up a lot sooner.
^^^^ I guess I'm a half full vs. a half empty kind of guy.
Look, the 351 in my '88 went bad at 101K, three cracks in the block between the #5 cylinder and the water jacket. The 351 is a tough engine and yet mine failed. That doesn't make them all bad, just mine. The Jasper Reman engine that I had installed was beaten to death by me for over 120K miles until I sold it. Nary an issue.
The point is, it's a craps shoot. I believe in my heart that you are dead wrong sir. I believe that all four of these new engines will surprise us all.
I agree the 6.0 & the 6.4 have had more than their share of issues.
Both built by a contractor that did not produce a engine that lived up to Fords specifications.
The Navistar engines are outstanding engines. Ford designed the engine-killing emissions add-ons to get it past the EPA. Those engines are in all kinds of commercial trucks with nary a problem
^^^^ I guess I'm a half full vs. a half empty kind of guy.
Look, the 351 in my '88 went bad at 101K, three cracks in the block between the #5 cylinder and the water jacket. The 351 is a tough engine and yet mine failed. That doesn't make them all bad, just mine. The Jasper Reman engine that I had installed was beaten to death by me for over 120K miles until I sold it. Nary an issue.
The point is, it's a craps shoot. I believe in my heart that you are dead wrong sir. I believe that all four of these new engines will surprise us all.
I hope I'm wrong. Why would I want anyone's engine to fail? I was just pointing out that there are a lot of "new" parts on the EB, and several other issues Ford has had with new engines. There have been numerous threads over the years that have said the engine oil weight kills the engines in an effort to eek out more mpg's, to the rest of the truck falling apart around the engine that will go 200k, to the other oft-discussed point being that hardly anyone keeps a truck past 100k, or 6 years anymore.
I just don't see a need for name calling. You asked a question. Ya got an answer, several of them. Before I bought my truck I ghosted on here for a month watching this same argument play out time after time. Just buy what ya want. Any motor is gonna have problems no matter what. It's silly to think otherwise . In the end I bought a 5.0 because I work on my own vehicle and it's cheaper to maintain and problems are simple for me to diagnosis. If you're gonna just take the truck to a shop or do minimum maintains at your house get whatever motor strikes your fancy. From what I have seen in the end it's really not a deal breaker either way.
That's all I got.
If you were referring to me, I didn't call anybody a name. Somebody called me opinionated and ignorant because I have an "opinion". Of course, he didn't quote any post, just like you didn't, so both of you have an "out" should you choose to take it. I don't see how my knowing as much about the EB as anybody else on here (unless you designed the damn thing and ran all the tests on it by yourself) can constitute me as being "ignorant". Do I own one? No. Do you, or have you owned a 6.4 diesel? No, and I didn't call you ignorant. I was merely pointing out that not many 6.0's, 6.4's or 6.7's are going 200k, and those are expected to. That being said, why would one expect a 3.5 TT gasser to do it?
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