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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 12:33 PM
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anyone know why the e40d is rated to tow more than the manual transmissions. the e40d can tow 3x more than a truck that is the same but has the manual
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 12:53 PM
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The factory rates autos higher because they don't want inexperienced clutch users complaining about clutch life. It's all in experience.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 12:58 PM
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i can see that but really 2k vs 7k thats quite a difference. also why are the lower gears rated less for towing with the 4.9 i have 3.08s and when if downshifts it puts it right at the factory peak torque rpm where as 4.10 or possibly even 3.55 would rev passed the peak torque rpm. or are the factory numbers inacurrate
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 92blue on uhhhh blue
i can see that but really 2k vs 7k thats quite a difference.
There's also another reason. Ford used the M5OD for many years and it's simply not suited for towing or hauling that much weight. It won't hold up nearly as well as a ZF or an E4OD will.

also why are the lower gears rated less for towing with the 4.9
Physics.

Work = force * distance

It's the same reason that a vehicle will accelerate much faster in lower gears than in higher ones. A lower (numerically higher) gear ratio gives you more usable torque at the wheels.

More torque = more towing capacity.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 01:19 PM
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wouldnt it be counter productive if the motor has already made peak power
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 92blue on uhhhh blue
wouldnt it be counter productive if the motor has already made peak power
Doesn't matter as much because your gear ratio is relative to the torque output at the wheels. Once you get into the higher gears, your ratio transmit less torque.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 03:29 PM
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As the gear ratio gets higher(numerically lower) the pinion gear gets progressively smaller compared to the ring gear and smaller pieces can't handle as much TQ as bigger pieces so the load rating of those parts will be lower.
Regardless of the engine it's attached to and the operating rpm at any given speed, lower axle gear ratios(3.55s or 4.10s) put more torque to the ground(higher mechanical advantage) so towing performance and unloaded acceleration improves.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 04:14 PM
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The factory rates autos higher because they don't want inexperienced clutch users complaining about clutch life. It's all in experience.

This. Autos also multiply torque because of the torque converter which helps improve towing for the otherwise same truck.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
As the gear ratio gets higher(numerically lower) the pinion gear gets progressively smaller compared to the ring gear and smaller pieces can't handle as much TQ as bigger pieces so the load rating of those parts will be lower.
I thought it was backwards? Lower gears are not as strong as higher gears is how I thought it worked. But I may be misremembering.

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wouldnt it be counter productive if the motor has already made peak power
No. Gears multiply torque. If the motor makes 200 lb-ft of torque, a set of 3.08 gears will deliver 616 lb-ft to the wheels, assuming a 1:1 transmission ratio and no parasitic driveline losses. A set of 4.10 gears will deliver 820 lb-ft of torque.
 
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I thought it was backwards? Lower gears are not as strong as higher gears is how I thought it worked. But I may be misremembering.
No I think you're right and got it basakwords...
 
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