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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 11:59 AM
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Glad to see you're back. I was wondering the other day what had happened to the "other" Jolly Roger...
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 12:03 PM
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Wow! Thank you for your response. Pretty much answers what I was unsure about in the first post. Thank you.
Most tire dealers won't mount them too...... The local Les Schwab tire dealer told me that they cannot mount them because their insurance company will not cover them if there's an accident.

They also told me when they broke mine down that they couldn't give them back to me. Years ago they said they told a farmer that they couldn't mount them and gave them back to him.

The farmer then took them home and had one his "farm-hands" mount the tires and air them up.

One of them popped a ring and killed the person. The tire dealer was included in the ensuing lawsuit.


Even the Ford Service Manual indicates that the wheels if assembled incorrectly, can come apart just driving down the road.

I would hate to kill the little old lady waiting to cross the street as I drive by.......

Good plan getting rid of them. I had 6 of them in my yard last summer. Since the centers were pretty worn out, I used my new Harbor Freight plasma cutter to practice on them.

I cut'em up like cardboard!!

I bought 6 lock-rings from Les Scwhab and they came directly from
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I don't remember if they'll work with retail customers but I know they deal with a lot of tire dealers.

Buying them directly from Les Schwab, they were about $200 and I paid an extra $25 per wheel and Les Schwab sand-blasted and powder-coated them......no one can beat that deal!!

That was about 5 years ago. I don't know what it cost now.....
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 12:10 PM
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Glad to see you're back. I was wondering the other day what had happened to the "other" Jolly Roger...
I'm still kicking around! Work took me to a gold mine in northern British columbia for a while so there hasn't been alot of wrenching done around here lately. Trying to get it Rollin again!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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The owner of AWS told me that as a wholesaler they require customers to work through their Schwab dealer, but they will work directly with a customer if he lives outside the Les Schwab service area. Since Schwab pretty much blankets the western states that would apply mostly to us flat landers. Stu
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 04:20 PM
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We bought six of them ,shipped here to Dallas, from AWS and the total was about $1800 shipped if I remember correctly. They are lock ring and very robust.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 08:02 PM
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I'm trying to search for tires for the 19.5" tubeless tire size, i'm just trying to see what I'd be looking at for prices per tire. Only problem is it turns out I don't really understand tire sizing so I can't find what I'm looking for. A little help would be great. I looked on the Coker site any others I can check out for bias ply tires?
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jolly Roger
I'm trying to search for tires for the 19.5" tubeless tire size, i'm just trying to see what I'd be looking at for prices per tire. Only problem is it turns out I don't really understand tire sizing so I can't find what I'm looking for. A little help would be great. I looked on the Coker site any others I can check out for bias ply tires?
I don't know about anywhere but Coker for bias but search for big truck tires for the radial 19.5s
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 09:09 PM
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I'm trying to search for tires for the 19.5" tubeless tire size, i'm just trying to see what I'd be looking at for prices per tire. Only problem is it turns out I don't really understand tire sizing so I can't find what I'm looking for. A little help would be great. I looked on the Coker site any others I can check out for bias ply tires?
I have two sizes on my truck. 225/70 R19.5" on the rear and 8R 19.5" on the front. As was suggested, look for truck tires. New ones I've found range from $135 per tire (no name) to over $370 per tire (Michelin). 8r 19.5 Tires - Automotive - Compare Prices, Reviews and Buy at Nextag

If I had to buy new tires, I'd get the 8R 19.5"s because they're 2" taller, and closer to the height of the original 7.00 x 18" bias plys on the truck.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 09:23 PM
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If you do find a set of the 71410s, or have a set of 19.5s made using your widow maker centers with new tubeless outer rims, you'll need to decide whether to buy tires having the old 8R19.5" size or newer metric 225/70R19.5" size. Since your stock 7.50 x 17s are about 34" outside diameter, I recommend going with the 8R19.5" size which will be close to stock at about 33" or 33.5". The metric 225/70R19.5s will be about 32" tall.

Another solution we've learned is to have Stockton Wheel install your centers in new tubeless 17" rims. Our member Mike Goldsby had this done and is happy with the outcome. The look of the wheels is perfectly original. The attached threads cover the Stockton wheels and also go into the use of 17.5s as an option. Stu

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...f3-wheels.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...9-ford-f3.html
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 09:31 PM
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 09:33 PM
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Thank you very much for the replies! Gives me an idea of what I'm looking for now!

Cheers,Darrin
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 09:50 PM
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I've had a couple sets of these in the past. (sold em though) I have one 8 lug 19.5 currently and have 4 coming to me in April sometime (these have the innie nubs for original type hubcaps)
I'm tenatively planning on putting them on an 84 p20 chassis, for a future build. (I've got to pull off the
16's that are currently on it and make sure these will fit without any clearance issues.
In a week or two I will be visiting some rural yards, hoping maybe I'll find some more wheels.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by truckdog62563
The owner of AWS told me that as a wholesaler they require customers to work through their Schwab dealer, but they will work directly with a customer if he lives outside the Les Schwab service area. Since Schwab pretty much blankets the western states that would apply mostly to us flat landers. Stu
Do you suppose that could include sales to persons outside the area, but have a local representative pick them up for 'you'?
 
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 12:23 AM
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Maybe. But I'd guess there's no financial advantage since they wouldn't sell at wholesale price to us easterners. Plus, it's my understanding that Schwab adds no shipping charges when delivered to any of their dealers since they have trucks driving those routes anyway. Is there another angle I'm not seeing? Stu
 
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 12:31 AM
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Maybe. But I'd guess there's no financial advantage since they wouldn't sell at wholesale price to us easterners. Plus, it's my understanding that Schwab adds no shipping charges when delivered to any of their dealers since they have trucks driving those routes anyway. Is there another angle I'm not seeing? Stu
Mostly not having to give Les any more money than he already has, or having to deal with his "help". I'd rather go straight to the source if at all possible and make sure I got what I wanted, even if the money is the same. But that's my 2c.

I guess the part that buggs me is that you can buy from them 2000 miles away, but me being just across the river, I'm screwed.
 
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