Cracking down on diesels.....
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My Dad wanted to have the EGR and DPF removed from his '07 Dodge Cummins. He'd already made the appointment at the local diesel shop and a few days before he went in, the owner called and told him he couldn't do it. Said he received a letter from the feds threatening to take his business license if he continued to modify diesels. Also, just last week a friend who bought a new 6.7 Ford told me he's been trying to find a tuner, yet all he gets is info that nobody is making or selling them anymore. I thought it was just BS until I read your link. While I hate government control of anything, I gotta say I think a lot of the diesel guys brought this heat on themselves. I see lots of guys on internet forums bragging about "rolling coal" into open car windows on purpose, etc. Anyone with half a brain could see the end of that coming very quickly.
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Cargo Master
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Let's try not to turn this into a "flaming" thread. Two V10 guys blasting diesel owners!!!!........ Even here in NY diesels are finally having emissions testing done during annual inspections. I believe it's by GVWR so 1 ton+ may be exempt. But don't quote me on it. So this was probably coming and I'm sure the EPA did their due diligence and researched everything, not necessarily just guys "rolling coal" but that doesn't help I'm sure. Also with diesels becoming quite popular among private consumers regulations were bound to happen. In the 80's people were still buying a 460 for power not an IDI. But with diesels becoming quite the power plants in the 90's they just out sell gas 3-1. With gassers already having all the emissions stuff and testing it's only normal for diesels to come under more scrutiny. They're selling in more numbers so they need more regulation. Gassers already have these things in place. Honesty though the guys with the 6.7 diesels what is the need to have a tuner for more power? 400-800 for power numbers!! I bet some tri axle dumps don't have that! But they do have gearing. You can have this great amount of power, not need a tuner, and never void your warranty or cause problems. Oh well. The worst part of this is companies may be put out of business due to regulation. That's unfortunate.
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I agree with you MDSuperDuty, I think it's a shame. But at the end of the day it's always been illegal to remove or disable the emissions controls, and it doesn't surprise me that they are cracking down on this.
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Oh I agree with you that it has always been illegal to remove but not always inspected from what I have read in NY. But with the sheer volume sales of diesels in the past decade it's no surprise to me either. Give it 10 years and they may have all these emissions issues figured out for diesels like gas vehicles have. But I guess those businesses did also play russian roulette knowing many of the products they sold promoted these emission deletions.
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Yeah, that's the only reason my Dad wanted to remove the emissions stuff off his Cummins was is because it's been a problem area. Apparently the system won't go into regen when towing, so every time he tows, the warning light showing a plugged cat comes on. He wasn't looking for more power, just getting rid of the problem. This is very much the same situation that started in the late '60's and early '70's with muscle cars here in California. They ran like crap with all the garbage on them and performed much better as well as got better mpg's with it removed. Now some 40 years later, all the bugs are worked out and any sane person wouldn't dream of yanking the emissions stuff off his new Mustang GT. Let's hope it doesn't take 40 years to get the kinks worked out of the diesel emissions.
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Deisel soot is a serious carcinogen
Just read recently somewhere that there is pretty conclusive evidence that diesel soot is a serious carcinogen much like asbestos.
I just bought a 2013 f-350 6.7l and for the two months I waited for it I spent endless hours researching how to do "Deletes". I was going to replace the entire exhaust system, change the electronics. Mostly to increase fuel economy. By the time I picked it up I had decided:
1) I didn't want to void the warranty and I bought an extended one for 7 yrs.
2) For the expense I could buy a lot of diesel.
3) 400 horse power is enough to get by.
4) I live in rural New Mexico where I never see bad air, but I'm 73 and it's time I became concerned about blowing that crap in the faces of our grandchildren.
5) If it wasn't for efforts of the EPA we could have even worse polution problems than the Chinese are dealing with right now.
I just bought a 2013 f-350 6.7l and for the two months I waited for it I spent endless hours researching how to do "Deletes". I was going to replace the entire exhaust system, change the electronics. Mostly to increase fuel economy. By the time I picked it up I had decided:
1) I didn't want to void the warranty and I bought an extended one for 7 yrs.
2) For the expense I could buy a lot of diesel.
3) 400 horse power is enough to get by.
4) I live in rural New Mexico where I never see bad air, but I'm 73 and it's time I became concerned about blowing that crap in the faces of our grandchildren.
5) If it wasn't for efforts of the EPA we could have even worse polution problems than the Chinese are dealing with right now.
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Just read recently somewhere that there is pretty conclusive evidence that diesel soot is a serious carcinogen much like asbestos.
4) I live in rural New Mexico where I never see bad air, but I'm 73 and it's time I became concerned about blowing that crap in the faces of our grandchildren.
5) If it wasn't for efforts of the EPA we could have even worse polution problems than the Chinese are dealing with right now.
4) I live in rural New Mexico where I never see bad air, but I'm 73 and it's time I became concerned about blowing that crap in the faces of our grandchildren.
5) If it wasn't for efforts of the EPA we could have even worse polution problems than the Chinese are dealing with right now.
Thanks for thinking of my kids as they could be your grandchildren. Many people today are just concerned with themselves and only themselves.
China, man that is an environmental disaster beyond imagination. I've watched some documentaries on pollution and China, nothing short of a horror story.
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Kinda funny how my 6.0 idleing in a 48x56 shop never bothered me. But this 6.2 gas made me open the door, shut it off, an walk away just after two minutes.
Really made me wonder which one is actully cleaner than the other.
Really made me wonder which one is actully cleaner than the other.
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20 years !
The way I understand it carcinogens, like smoking (which I did for 21 years) don't have any symptomatic effect for about 20 years if they're going to show up at all and will only affect some people. So all the gas fumes I inhaled washing parts with my bare hands, smoking, removing asbestos shingles, living in a diesel submarine (4 -2000hp V16s), inhaling auto paint fumes, may show up as lung cancer at any time.
I sure wish they knew all that stuff they know now when I was a youngster, but I can make sure my grandchildren aren't exposed.
I sure wish they knew all that stuff they know now when I was a youngster, but I can make sure my grandchildren aren't exposed.
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Thank god our governmnt is doing this. I think we need more laws. Laws, laws, laws. Its a fantastic idea. Before ya know it we wont be able to do anything fun and still have all the issues that exist today.
The trucks arent the problem, the idoits behind the wheel is. You cant fix stupid people. I wish one of these clowns would roll coal into my window. There wouldnt be a need for the tree huggers to make laws.
Just throw the diesel trucks on top of all the ammo and magazines and we'll be safe.
The trucks arent the problem, the idoits behind the wheel is. You cant fix stupid people. I wish one of these clowns would roll coal into my window. There wouldnt be a need for the tree huggers to make laws.
Just throw the diesel trucks on top of all the ammo and magazines and we'll be safe.
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MmmMmm a diesel hater thread! lol
The problem like mentioned is to many people have diesels now days. People that have no need for diesels (high school kids with tuners and office pencil pushers) have diesels, they are everywhere. That is the reason the price of diesel fuel is high, that is the reason for all the EPA stuff cracking down on them. That is the reason I have a 7.3!
The diesel is ruined, people are going back to gas, but eventually diesel will prevail again probably 10-15 years from now.
The problem like mentioned is to many people have diesels now days. People that have no need for diesels (high school kids with tuners and office pencil pushers) have diesels, they are everywhere. That is the reason the price of diesel fuel is high, that is the reason for all the EPA stuff cracking down on them. That is the reason I have a 7.3!
The diesel is ruined, people are going back to gas, but eventually diesel will prevail again probably 10-15 years from now.
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Yeah
If they would just get rid of all those laws I could really screw everyone over. Be noth'in get in ma way. Trouble is most of the regular folks who are so against Federal laws and regulations would be the first victims. We just saw what unregulated banks to do to middle class people. I'm still paying for that one. Too bad they didn't deregulate social security and put that in the stock market like they wanted to. I'd be planting beans with a stick.
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From: Indiana
We have a few young farm boys in our rural community that drive the big diesel farm truck for cruising the town at night. It seems like there is always racing and competition for the most black smoke. I'm just the kind of ass_hole that will ride in the middle of the two-lane when I see them so that they can't blast past me and soot up my truck. When I deleted, I told the tech "no soot". It may be louder now but have no smoke at all and wouldn't want to infrindge on people like these dipshyt coal rollers. At least a couple of them are redneck enough that they have stacks which makes it harder to direct the exhaust at someone.