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Old Jan 19, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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Power window troubles

I'll try to explain this the best I can.. my driver's side window is not secured to the arm that moves when the window button is pressed. It will hold the window all the way up (closed), but if I try to roll down the window, it falls off the arm and crashes down to the bottom (all the way open).

Yesterday my friend tried to roll down the window and so now it's stuck down, but this time I moved the arm back up to the top (closed position) and now the arm won't move at all. This happened to me once before and eventually, later that day I believe, it began moving again for some reason. I've tried many times now and every time the same thing. This is especially bad because the arm is in the all the way up position, and is too high to set the window on, so I'm forced to have my window down all the time now.

Please help if you can! Thanks,

Zac
 
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Old Jan 19, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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Could be a problem with the motor. There is a great thread showing how to take the motor apart and put 1/4" nuts in place of the cheap plastic nubs that are used to drive the gear. That might help your motor issue, as sometimes it just jams up and won't move.

Then you should figure out why the glass isn't attached to the arm and fix that.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2013 | 07:23 PM
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I bought 2 new motors on ebay for around $70.00 when my drivers side crapped out last summer. easyier than I thought to fix about 1 hour.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2013 | 08:51 PM
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here you go...
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...or-repair.html
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 01:24 PM
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Thank you! Looks easy enough, this will definitely come in handy for whenever I do fix my windows. The motor on the drivers side usually works though, the window just won't stay on the arm that moves. There's supposed to be some kind of piece attaching it, I forget what it is.

For some reason the drivers side motor isn't working at all now though, I moved it to the all the way up position, perhaps more than it should normally go since there was no window attached to it. Now that it's all the way up (with NO window on it), it won't budge. This happened to me once before and for some reason it started working again not too long after. I was hoping it was something easy like a fuse I could take out and then put back in, or maybe if I took the positive terminals off the batteries and "reset" it.

I'm about 90% positive the motor didn't completely die, it normally goes up and down fine, I just don't use it because the pane will fall off of the arm and slam down into the door panel. That, and this same thing happened to me once before, the arm got stuck in the up position. Never any other position. So I think it might have something to do with the arm not supposed to go up as far as it did, and now I need to reset it or wake it up somehow.

I found out which fuse corresponds to the power windows, so I'll try taking that out for a sec and see if it works after I put it back in. Any other ideas?
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 06:12 PM
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Take the motor off the arm and see if it works when you push on the button. I've pretty sure with the way the gearbox on the motor is (worm gear) you're not supposed to be able to move the arm by itself. If you can move the arm, then the gear or gear plugs are screwed up.

Actually before that, turn the ignition on (engine off) and look at the voltage gauge on the dash. Push the window button, does the gauge drop? If it drops, the motor is trying to work, but jammed up. If it doesn't drop, the motor isn't trying to do anything.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 08:23 PM
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Check for good connections at the motor. I thought I had a bad motor but after cleaning the connections at the motor the motor worked and hasn't stopped since.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 06:27 PM
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No voltage drop when I attempt to roll down the window. This is really starting to bug me since it's the middle of winter and I live in the mountains. Like I said, same thing happened to me once before but then it started working again later that day. Guess it doesn't like having the arm moved all the way up?

Trying to think of a way I can secure the window pane up, maybe with wire but I can't figure anything out that'd work.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 08:37 PM
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Does the voltage drop when the passenger side moves? Or when at top, keep pressing to close and see if it drops.

Put a loop of wire under the window, pass the ends up and over the top of the door. One at either end should hold it pretty well, it will look ghetto, but better than a trash bag fix.
 

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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 08:47 PM
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Passenger window hasn't worked since I got the truck, so I'm not sure. Dang thing has really got me stumped. Is there anywhere I'd want to check voltage to look for wiring problems? Also I wonder if I were to apply 12v somewhere if I could get it to move.

I was thinking something like that, to get it secure for now. But what do you mean by a loop wire? I was thinking a metal coat hanger but that sounds like a better idea.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 10:03 PM
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Meant a loop OF wire.. oops, fixed that. Hell, binders twine would probably work. I just figured that would be the easiest way, from the bottom of the window, up over the top of the door frame.

Um, lets see.. pull the door panel. Is there voltage at the switches? Disconnect the motor connector, while pushing the switch, is there voltage at the connector? Push the switch the other way, did the voltage swap polarity? Did you check the fuse, or just pull it out and put it back in?

These are super simple systems, there is no "resetting" them. Basically, when the ignition is on (or accessory), voltage goes to the switch. From the switch it goes to the motor. Thats it, nothing fancy. If the motor jams, it will pull some current trying to start (thus dropping the voltage at the gauge). To test the motor directly, disconnect the connector to it, and apply 12V to one terminal, ground the other. To reverse the motor, swap the wires.

Face it, you need to at least pull the door panel and check it out. Should be a couple of screws and some stupid plastic clips (unless the earlier trucks are different). Figure out what is wrong with the motor, and reattach the window to the arm so it won't fall off again. While you're in that deep, might as well just pull the motor off, pop off the cover, clean it up, new grease, and ditch the broken plugs for nuts.
 
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 11:35 PM
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Pulling the door panel off is no problem.. I keep the screws out because if I roll my window down or up at all, I need to take the panel off. So it comes off often and was just off earlier. I might be wrong but I need to drill a few holes to get to the motor and everything, right? In the metal on the inside of the door. I was just reading a thread on this the other day, how to replace the motor anyways.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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Yah, go re-read that thread, it should show you where the holes go
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...or-repair.html
 
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 11:32 PM
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Well I had pretty much forgotten about it for a few days, and when I was driving to school earlier today I flipped the button to roll the window down. Surprise, it rolled down. Got the window pane back on there and now it's fixed. Next time I will remember not to roll the window up that high until I get the pane in place, so that the arm doesn't get stuck like that again!

Thanks for your help.
 
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