215 vs 223 HELP PLEASE
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215 vs 223 HELP PLEASE
So the other day i picked up a stuck 1953 chassis that had in it a 215 ohv. Well, after some texts sent to Stu i found out that it has the wrong front motor mounts. Seems they changed the timing cover from 1952 to 1953. Lesson learned i guess. Now today when i took my son out to the farm for the last day of our deer hunt we looked at the 1952 F6 that i picked up last year that i bought for what i thought was a 215, plus its got good metal and extra trim goodies. Well, last year we figured out that someone had switched engines and installed the 223. So we opened the hood to see how it mounts in the front and it mounts like a 215 in a 52 truck should. I think the 223 will go in my 52 F2 MH, but im curious how a 223 which was not an option or even out yet in 1952 could bolt right into a 1952 frame? Is it because its a F6 and Ford used the same front frame horns in the heavy trucks past 52? Does any of this make sense to anyone? Thanks for any help!
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I don't know if this answers your question or not but I switched a 223 into my 52 F1 by simply changing the timing cover from the 215 engine over to the 223 engine. The motor mounts for the 215 are cast into the 215 timing cover.
I don't know if it relates to the motor mounts for an F6 however in regards to an engine swap in that model.
I don't know if it relates to the motor mounts for an F6 however in regards to an engine swap in that model.
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maybe thats what they did on my F6. i didnt know the timing covers from a 215 and 223 would interchange. i have been texting Stu about switching the timing covers from a 52 215 and a 53 215 but thats the first i have heard of doing it with the 223. maybe my problem is solved. thanks for your input. 
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as far as the trucks go the last purchase was the 53 chassis with the wrong 215, trans and misc parts that will find there way to evilpay or the crusher. the deer got lucky this year. i got mine and ryan tried a few times but in the end did not bag one. it wasnt for lack of shooting at them. we have meat in the freezer so we wont starve, its about making memories anyway and we did plenty of that.
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Don't crush that 215. Save the valve cover, oil pan, dip stick, harmonic balancer, upper tensioner pulley, the exhaust manifold (if it's not cracked), oil pump, fuel pump, oil pick up screen and tube, and the distributor. These parts can be hard to find new or even used and can be rebuilt.
I once pulled a 262 motor out of a 1952 Parcel delivery van thinking that it was a 215 (before I could tell those engines apart). It had the 52 timing chain cover, but on the later (60s) engine. The basic design between the 215, 223, 262 motors is the same. This allows interchangeability of several parts, including the timing chain cover.
I'm assuming that you won't need the one that I have. I'll pack it away.
I once pulled a 262 motor out of a 1952 Parcel delivery van thinking that it was a 215 (before I could tell those engines apart). It had the 52 timing chain cover, but on the later (60s) engine. The basic design between the 215, 223, 262 motors is the same. This allows interchangeability of several parts, including the timing chain cover.
I'm assuming that you won't need the one that I have. I'll pack it away.
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thanks for digging yours out Ilya, sorry you had to do that before i figured out that my 223 has one. as far as the 215 goes, it will be just fine sitting on the floor for now. i have no plans to crush it. the exhaust manifold looks good and it has the glass bowl carb. the oil bath air cleaner was bashed in so that will get scraped and the valve cover has a big dent but might be able to be fixed. thanks for the help guys!
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