Does anyone recognize this blower motor
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
Does anyone recognize this blower motor
I do not like the deal I had to put in line with the electrical connection to this blower motor when I converted my truck to 12 volt. I had to put something in line with the blower and the wiper motor which are still un-changed 6 volt original equip.
I dont like it cause of the heat and I am assuming that eventually its gonna blow anyway so I will need to find a 12 volt at the scrapyard that I can modify to work within my original Ford Majic air heater ( circa 1952 )
Does anyone recognize this at all so that I may have an idea of what might work before I start tearing blower housings apart.
Just to clarify if this looks like the blower motor in your 1983 F-150 than that will at least give me a place to start. Thanks
I dont like it cause of the heat and I am assuming that eventually its gonna blow anyway so I will need to find a 12 volt at the scrapyard that I can modify to work within my original Ford Majic air heater ( circa 1952 )
Does anyone recognize this at all so that I may have an idea of what might work before I start tearing blower housings apart.
Just to clarify if this looks like the blower motor in your 1983 F-150 than that will at least give me a place to start. Thanks
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,984
Likes: 2,738
From: Virginia
Most of the later motors have a large flat flange where they bolt on.
I used a resistor on my wiper motor on the 53, but I did retro fit a 12v motor into the fan housing. I want to say it was a old motor off a scrapped out 79 Granada I had, but I can't be for sure.
I can tell you for sure the resistor for the wiper motor does not work well. The resistor drops the voltage down, but the amount of drop depends on the current flow. On a blower motor it would probably work, but on the wiper motor, with a dry windshield, the motor has a lot of drag on it, so it draws a lot of current through the resistor, so the voltage has a large drop, and the motor barely moves the wipers. When the windshield is wet, there is less drag, so there is less current flowing to the motor, so there is less voltage drop, so your wipers are whipping back and forth too fast. It's not a good thing.
I used a resistor on my wiper motor on the 53, but I did retro fit a 12v motor into the fan housing. I want to say it was a old motor off a scrapped out 79 Granada I had, but I can't be for sure.
I can tell you for sure the resistor for the wiper motor does not work well. The resistor drops the voltage down, but the amount of drop depends on the current flow. On a blower motor it would probably work, but on the wiper motor, with a dry windshield, the motor has a lot of drag on it, so it draws a lot of current through the resistor, so the voltage has a large drop, and the motor barely moves the wipers. When the windshield is wet, there is less drag, so there is less current flowing to the motor, so there is less voltage drop, so your wipers are whipping back and forth too fast. It's not a good thing.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,477
Likes: 19
From: Sheffield, AL
Have you considered going by an old electric motor supply house and seeing if they have a dusty 12 volt one on the shelf? Maybe one of the older "hands on" guys could rewind your 6 volt to operate on 12 volts?
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
Most of the later motors have a large flat flange where they bolt on.
I used a resistor on my wiper motor on the 53, but I did retro fit a 12v motor into the fan housing. I want to say it was a old motor off a scrapped out 79 Granada I had, but I can't be for sure.
I can tell you for sure the resistor for the wiper motor does not work well. The resistor drops the voltage down, but the amount of drop depends on the current flow. On a blower motor it would probably work, but on the wiper motor, with a dry windshield, the motor has a lot of drag on it, so it draws a lot of current through the resistor, so the voltage has a large drop, and the motor barely moves the wipers. When the windshield is wet, there is less drag, so there is less current flowing to the motor, so there is less voltage drop, so your wipers are whipping back and forth too fast. It's not a good thing.
I used a resistor on my wiper motor on the 53, but I did retro fit a 12v motor into the fan housing. I want to say it was a old motor off a scrapped out 79 Granada I had, but I can't be for sure.
I can tell you for sure the resistor for the wiper motor does not work well. The resistor drops the voltage down, but the amount of drop depends on the current flow. On a blower motor it would probably work, but on the wiper motor, with a dry windshield, the motor has a lot of drag on it, so it draws a lot of current through the resistor, so the voltage has a large drop, and the motor barely moves the wipers. When the windshield is wet, there is less drag, so there is less current flowing to the motor, so there is less voltage drop, so your wipers are whipping back and forth too fast. It's not a good thing.
Ill get the fan motor, just like you did, Ill have to go do some digging tomm at the salvage place
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
Yes, I have thought of this and may still have to try this but for what they may charge I may be better off just getting the 12 volt ready made version that the aftermarket suppliers are selling.
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
Most of the later motors have a large flat flange where they bolt on.
I used a resistor on my wiper motor on the 53, but I did retro fit a 12v motor into the fan housing. I want to say it was a old motor off a scrapped out 79 Granada I had, but I can't be for sure.
I can tell you for sure the resistor for the wiper motor does not work well. The resistor drops the voltage down, but the amount of drop depends on the current flow. On a blower motor it would probably work, but on the wiper motor, with a dry windshield, the motor has a lot of drag on it, so it draws a lot of current through the resistor, so the voltage has a large drop, and the motor barely moves the wipers. When the windshield is wet, there is less drag, so there is less current flowing to the motor, so there is less voltage drop, so your wipers are whipping back and forth too fast. It's not a good thing.
I used a resistor on my wiper motor on the 53, but I did retro fit a 12v motor into the fan housing. I want to say it was a old motor off a scrapped out 79 Granada I had, but I can't be for sure.
I can tell you for sure the resistor for the wiper motor does not work well. The resistor drops the voltage down, but the amount of drop depends on the current flow. On a blower motor it would probably work, but on the wiper motor, with a dry windshield, the motor has a lot of drag on it, so it draws a lot of current through the resistor, so the voltage has a large drop, and the motor barely moves the wipers. When the windshield is wet, there is less drag, so there is less current flowing to the motor, so there is less voltage drop, so your wipers are whipping back and forth too fast. It's not a good thing.
I think I will stop by a place this A.M that does electric motor work and see if they can do anything to convert these to twelve volt and what they charge.
Is it the number of windings they have to alter to convert to 12 volt, is that correct?
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,984
Likes: 2,738
From: Virginia
I am not sure, motors are a another field and can get complicated. I am sure you can retro fit some sort of 12v fan motor in there for the fan, if I remember it just required a little sheetmetal work. My heater was just a box hanging under the dash on the 53.
One option for my 53 was to get a 56 wiper motor, but they are not cheap either. I think 56 is when they went to 12v. I don't know if it would work on a earlier model like yours though.
One option for my 53 was to get a 56 wiper motor, but they are not cheap either. I think 56 is when they went to 12v. I don't know if it would work on a earlier model like yours though.
Trending Topics
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
I am not sure, motors are a another field and can get complicated. I am sure you can retro fit some sort of 12v fan motor in there for the fan, if I remember it just required a little sheetmetal work. My heater was just a box hanging under the dash on the 53.
One option for my 53 was to get a 56 wiper motor, but they are not cheap either. I think 56 is when they went to 12v. I don't know if it would work on a earlier model like yours though.
One option for my 53 was to get a 56 wiper motor, but they are not cheap either. I think 56 is when they went to 12v. I don't know if it would work on a earlier model like yours though.
I went to three different electric shops and got laughed at when mentioned if they could make the conversion.
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
Lead Driver
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,477
Likes: 19
From: Sheffield, AL
That is too bad! Sometimes one just has to keep trying until you find a place where someone [usually an older experienced person] really cares. This is not unlike the experiences often reported regarding people behind the counter at the various automotive parts stores... some of the employees are GREAT, but some simply look at the computer.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 6,477
Likes: 19
From: Sheffield, AL
1930 Dodge,
This may be the answer...
Check this link and read about the 12/6 Battery. It is claimed to make possible for one to convert a 6 volt system to 12 volts and tap off 6 volts for your accessories. It is available in group sizes and is to be used with 12 volt charging systems.
The battery appears to have 3 terminals. The outer 2 terminals would provide 12 volts and the one in the middle would provide 6 volts.
Check the price and determine if economically feasible?
Antique Auto Battery - Accessories
This may be the answer...
Check this link and read about the 12/6 Battery. It is claimed to make possible for one to convert a 6 volt system to 12 volts and tap off 6 volts for your accessories. It is available in group sizes and is to be used with 12 volt charging systems.
The battery appears to have 3 terminals. The outer 2 terminals would provide 12 volts and the one in the middle would provide 6 volts.
Check the price and determine if economically feasible?
Antique Auto Battery - Accessories
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
[/color]
That is too bad! Sometimes one just has to keep trying until you find a place where someone [usually an older experienced person] really cares. This is not unlike the experiences often reported regarding people behind the counter at the various automotive parts stores... some of the employees are GREAT, but some simply look at the computer.
That is too bad! Sometimes one just has to keep trying until you find a place where someone [usually an older experienced person] really cares. This is not unlike the experiences often reported regarding people behind the counter at the various automotive parts stores... some of the employees are GREAT, but some simply look at the computer.
I have lived in Fl, Tampa, Sarasota area since 1987 or so and it was not until just recently ( last couple of months ) that I found a hardware store the likes of which I had not seen since I was a younger man. Its about an hour away and H.D has now moved into the area and from what I have heard ( I used to work out there until recently ) they are in a position to close its doors for good.
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
1930 Dodge,
This may be the answer...
Check this link and read about the 12/6 Battery. It is claimed to make possible for one to convert a 6 volt system to 12 volts and tap off 6 volts for your accessories. It is available in group sizes and is to be used with 12 volt charging systems.
The battery appears to have 3 terminals. The outer 2 terminals would provide 12 volts and the one in the middle would provide 6 volts.
Check the price and determine if economically feasible?
Antique Auto Battery - Accessories
This may be the answer...
Check this link and read about the 12/6 Battery. It is claimed to make possible for one to convert a 6 volt system to 12 volts and tap off 6 volts for your accessories. It is available in group sizes and is to be used with 12 volt charging systems.
The battery appears to have 3 terminals. The outer 2 terminals would provide 12 volts and the one in the middle would provide 6 volts.
Check the price and determine if economically feasible?
Antique Auto Battery - Accessories
Only thing left after this will be the wiper motor.
Thanks for the effort though
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 661
Likes: 0
Stupid question is the one not asked so is it possible to reverse the polarity of one of these 12 volt electric motors. The original 6 volt ran counterclockwise, the one I am considering using runs clockwise. It would be easier for me to modify the existing heater housing case with the cage facing this direction 
( as was the original 6 volt motor ) but the fins within the cage are not going in the right direction so there is not as much airflow as I find when I mount the cage this way 
I have spent a good amount of time reading old posts this afternoon that have been made concerning replacement motors to fit in these specific Ford units ( 51-52 ) and as far as I have read they do not exist so I will modify my case to fit the motor.
( as was the original 6 volt motor ) but the fins within the cage are not going in the right direction so there is not as much airflow as I find when I mount the cage this way I have spent a good amount of time reading old posts this afternoon that have been made concerning replacement motors to fit in these specific Ford units ( 51-52 ) and as far as I have read they do not exist so I will modify my case to fit the motor.
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,984
Likes: 2,738
From: Virginia
Well, re-winding a motor would take some time if you found someone to do it, and time is money. You would probably end up paying the same amount as the conversion motor.
I am not up on all the stuff they have out now, but when I was looking for alternatives, I was eyeballing this setup they use for hot rods and other vehicles. The motor actually mounts anywhere, usually down near the kickpanel, and it has a cable that moves back and forth and at each wiper spindle it has a rack and pinion setup to turn the wiper arms. It was fairly expensive back then, I don't know if has come down now or not.
I am not up on all the stuff they have out now, but when I was looking for alternatives, I was eyeballing this setup they use for hot rods and other vehicles. The motor actually mounts anywhere, usually down near the kickpanel, and it has a cable that moves back and forth and at each wiper spindle it has a rack and pinion setup to turn the wiper arms. It was fairly expensive back then, I don't know if has come down now or not.
Moderator
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 56,984
Likes: 2,738
From: Virginia
If you can take the motor apart, take the rotor out and swap end caps, so the shaft sticks out the other side. That will usually reverse it.
P.S. These motors have brushes, so you may not be able to do the above. If you can take the motor windings out and turn them around, it will change the direction. I think you get the idea though if you can figure out how to turn something around inside.
P.S. These motors have brushes, so you may not be able to do the above. If you can take the motor windings out and turn them around, it will change the direction. I think you get the idea though if you can figure out how to turn something around inside.