Which Timing Cover Do I Need?
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Which Timing Cover Do I Need?
Hello,
I know that, generally speaking, the serpentine belt equipped F.I. 5.0 engines have a different timing cover than the older generation carbureted v-belt equipped engines. However I have a v-belt F.I. engine, circa 1985, which I'm lead to believe is a bit of an odd ball, and the timing cover may need replacement. Just how many variations of these are there, and which one do I need? I would like to have one on hand before I tear into this.
Thank you,
Rick
I know that, generally speaking, the serpentine belt equipped F.I. 5.0 engines have a different timing cover than the older generation carbureted v-belt equipped engines. However I have a v-belt F.I. engine, circa 1985, which I'm lead to believe is a bit of an odd ball, and the timing cover may need replacement. Just how many variations of these are there, and which one do I need? I would like to have one on hand before I tear into this.
Thank you,
Rick
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All the different covers will fit, though you might have to drill out the dowel pin holes in the cover to fit. The 86 FI engine block I used had larger hollow pins and I had to drill the earlier cover holes out to 1/2" for it to fit.
Of course the FI covers do not have a spot for the fuel pump.
Your main concern is getting the timing cover and timing pointer to match the harmonic balancer. What I did was turn the engine by hand while watching the rocker arms on #1 cyliinder. When the valves are closed, and the zero timing mark comes around on the balancer, line it up to zero, and then do not turn the engine afterward. When you put the new cover on, your main goal is for the timing pointer to line up with the mark on the balancer.
Of course the FI covers do not have a spot for the fuel pump.
Your main concern is getting the timing cover and timing pointer to match the harmonic balancer. What I did was turn the engine by hand while watching the rocker arms on #1 cyliinder. When the valves are closed, and the zero timing mark comes around on the balancer, line it up to zero, and then do not turn the engine afterward. When you put the new cover on, your main goal is for the timing pointer to line up with the mark on the balancer.
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What about the interface with the water pump? There are very different water pumps in use, and also the bosses for accessory brackets? Doesn't the F.I. engine have a crankshaft position sensor? I haven't been able to look at the truck lately, but I seem to recall that most F.I. motors have these, and I've seen what looks to be a sensor mount on the pass. side of some covers offered for sale.
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Your truck does not have a crankshaft position sensor. Inside the dist on the sensor wheel, one of the "windows" is wider or narrower than the others, and that's how the computer knows where the engine is at.
Where are you going to get the cover? Here is a search I did in my state, and they are showing interchange with lots of cars and even a van. Just because it's serpentine doesn't necessarily mean it has a reverse rotation waterpump. Only if the waterpump pulley runs on the back side of the belt, and I was corrected once when someone said some of them run conventionally on the serpentine belt.
1987
Timing Cover
Ford Crown Vic 5.0,STOCK NO. 087473053 A 087473053 $100 Triple Decker Auto Parts USA-VA(Chesapeake) Request_Quote 1-800-938-2003 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Van 5.0,STOCK NO. 086184104 A 086184104 $75 Triple Decker Auto Parts USA-VA(Chesapeake) Request_Quote 1-800-938-2003 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Thunderbird 5.0FI FH2580 $75 King George Auto Parts USA-VA(King-George) Request_Quote 1-800-847-4547 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Lincoln Continental 5.0FI 00308 $75 King George Auto Parts USA-VA(King-George) Request_Quote 1-800-847-4547 Request_Insurance_Quote
1989
Timing Cover
Mercury Marquis Grand (8-302, 5.0L)- A 1765 $75 Madison Heights Auto Parts VARA USA-VA(Madison-Heights) E-mail 1-888-528-8826
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Truck F150 5.0L A JJ2355 $75 Johnson's Mustang & Truck Parts VARA USA-VA(Chesapeake) Request_Quote 1-757-545-8370 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Truck F150 201171 $75 250 East Auto Recycling USA-VA(Louisa) E-mail 434-589-5770
1988
Timing Cover
Mercury Marquis Grand USED $75 250 East Auto Recycling USA-VA(Louisa) E-mail 434-589-5770
Timing Cover
#1676,REFURB. $65 Estes Auto and Truck Parts USA-VA(Pilot) E-mail 1-877-616-4900 / 1-540-651-4637
Timing Cover
#1921,REFURB. $65 Estes Auto and Truck Parts USA-VA(Pilot) E-mail 1-877-616-4900 / 1-540-651-4637
Timing Cover
#5306,REFURB. $65 Estes Auto and Truck Parts USA-VA(Pilot) E-mail 1-877-616-4900 / 1-540-651-4637
1985
Timing Cover
Ford Crown Vic L114 $50 Shenandoah Auto Parts, Inc. USA-VA(Roanoke) E-mail 1-800-777-7908
1988
Timing Cover
Lincoln Towncar L043 $44 Shenandoah Auto Parts, Inc. USA-VA(Roanoke) E-mail 1-800-777-7908
Timing Cover
A EXC $35 Agee's Auto Parts USA-VA(Christiansburg) Request_Quote 540-382-2477 / 800-678-6901 Request_Insurance_Quote
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Part
Model Description Part
Grade Stock# US
Price Dealer Info
Where are you going to get the cover? Here is a search I did in my state, and they are showing interchange with lots of cars and even a van. Just because it's serpentine doesn't necessarily mean it has a reverse rotation waterpump. Only if the waterpump pulley runs on the back side of the belt, and I was corrected once when someone said some of them run conventionally on the serpentine belt.
1987
Timing Cover
Ford Crown Vic 5.0,STOCK NO. 087473053 A 087473053 $100 Triple Decker Auto Parts USA-VA(Chesapeake) Request_Quote 1-800-938-2003 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Van 5.0,STOCK NO. 086184104 A 086184104 $75 Triple Decker Auto Parts USA-VA(Chesapeake) Request_Quote 1-800-938-2003 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Thunderbird 5.0FI FH2580 $75 King George Auto Parts USA-VA(King-George) Request_Quote 1-800-847-4547 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Lincoln Continental 5.0FI 00308 $75 King George Auto Parts USA-VA(King-George) Request_Quote 1-800-847-4547 Request_Insurance_Quote
1989
Timing Cover
Mercury Marquis Grand (8-302, 5.0L)- A 1765 $75 Madison Heights Auto Parts VARA USA-VA(Madison-Heights) E-mail 1-888-528-8826
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Truck F150 5.0L A JJ2355 $75 Johnson's Mustang & Truck Parts VARA USA-VA(Chesapeake) Request_Quote 1-757-545-8370 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Timing Cover
Ford Truck F150 201171 $75 250 East Auto Recycling USA-VA(Louisa) E-mail 434-589-5770
1988
Timing Cover
Mercury Marquis Grand USED $75 250 East Auto Recycling USA-VA(Louisa) E-mail 434-589-5770
Timing Cover
#1676,REFURB. $65 Estes Auto and Truck Parts USA-VA(Pilot) E-mail 1-877-616-4900 / 1-540-651-4637
Timing Cover
#1921,REFURB. $65 Estes Auto and Truck Parts USA-VA(Pilot) E-mail 1-877-616-4900 / 1-540-651-4637
Timing Cover
#5306,REFURB. $65 Estes Auto and Truck Parts USA-VA(Pilot) E-mail 1-877-616-4900 / 1-540-651-4637
1985
Timing Cover
Ford Crown Vic L114 $50 Shenandoah Auto Parts, Inc. USA-VA(Roanoke) E-mail 1-800-777-7908
1988
Timing Cover
Lincoln Towncar L043 $44 Shenandoah Auto Parts, Inc. USA-VA(Roanoke) E-mail 1-800-777-7908
Timing Cover
A EXC $35 Agee's Auto Parts USA-VA(Christiansburg) Request_Quote 540-382-2477 / 800-678-6901 Request_Insurance_Quote
Year
Part
Model Description Part
Grade Stock# US
Price Dealer Info
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Franklin,
Thank you very much for the information. I'll probably order the part through the parts store I work at. Technically they don't show one for my truck. 1985 through about 1988 is sort of a 'black hole' for most of the listings, but many of the listings by aftermarket parts manufacturers are crap anyway, and should be taken with a grain of salt. In looking at all the used OEM covers on E-Bay, there seems to be about four different ones used between the carbed and F.I. engines, though in the aftermarket only two are shown in most cases. I'm willing to bet those aftermarket covers won't work in some cases, despite what the manufacturer states. Right now, I'm just not familiar enough with Ford stuff to pick up the subtle differences to know what will work on my own.
Thank you very much for the information. I'll probably order the part through the parts store I work at. Technically they don't show one for my truck. 1985 through about 1988 is sort of a 'black hole' for most of the listings, but many of the listings by aftermarket parts manufacturers are crap anyway, and should be taken with a grain of salt. In looking at all the used OEM covers on E-Bay, there seems to be about four different ones used between the carbed and F.I. engines, though in the aftermarket only two are shown in most cases. I'm willing to bet those aftermarket covers won't work in some cases, despite what the manufacturer states. Right now, I'm just not familiar enough with Ford stuff to pick up the subtle differences to know what will work on my own.
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I have a brand new 302 timing cover I bought for my 83 not paying close enough attention it was for FI when I needed one for carb....I will give it to you for 30 bucks shipped if your in the US
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the water jackets point in different directions on serpentine setups vs v belt. if your not running the reverse flow pump it will puke coolant.
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its not really an issue, but the later timing covers rubb the cam chain around the cam gear, so it has to be clearanced.i had an 82 serpentine drive with variable after market timing set. i replaced it with a stock set and since i had an 88 timing cover, i had to go buy another timing set and mix and match.
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