TPMS sensor problem....
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I tried removing the valve stems and sensors from my old wheels but couldn't so I just bought 4 new valve stem sensors on Ebay which should be delivered later this week. Do I need to have the band type sensors removed off the wheels or can I just leave them in there? They wouldn't affect the new valve stem sensors, would they? After they're installed will they program themselves or do I need to buy a reprogramming tool? Thanks.... 
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I have a 2013 Ford and I just put a set of wheels on it from a 2009 Ford with the band sensors. The wheels I removed had the sensors at the end of the valve stems. Can I train the band sensors from the 2009 wheels to work on my 2013 Ford? I have received conflicting information on this. If not do I need to remove the band sensors and install the valve stem sensors from my 2013 wheels? Thanks....
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I asked that question several days ago and found out that the band sensors are not compatible with the 2010-13 models. Can someone please answer the two questions from my most recent post? Thanks....
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I don't know who you have been talking to but just like I did a few years ago when I had my 2009 there are alot of dealers and tire shops that don't know there A$$ from a hole in the ground.
If infact you have 2009 wheels they should have valve stem type sensors in them and not the band type. If they are the band type they will not work with the new TPMS (2009 and newer) trucks, but that would indicate that they are 2008 or older wheels or someone has put the band type sensors on a 2009 or newer wheel. I had a 2009 F150 king ranch and they had the valve stem type. I had aftermarket wheels for them as well and the tire shop intalled the valve stem type and I switched back and forth every winter and spring with no problems with the TPMS after I programmed it each time. I did purchase the tool from ford to do so and followed the procedure in the 2009 manual for programming the sensors.
I have since sold my 2009 but kept the aftermarket wheels the use them on my new 2012. They work just fine and I still use the old procedure from the 2009 for programming them. I know there is a new procedure in the manual that allows you to program them with out using the tool but I figure if the old one works why screw with it. I would try to program them and see if it works. That would be the easiest way to find out.
I you do have the band type you can leave them in place if you so desire and install the newer valve stem type and just program them to you truck. Try the new procedure for programming if you don't want to purchase the tool, although the tool is pretty inexpensive and you don't have to fill the tires back up after the programming with the old procedure.
If infact you have 2009 wheels they should have valve stem type sensors in them and not the band type. If they are the band type they will not work with the new TPMS (2009 and newer) trucks, but that would indicate that they are 2008 or older wheels or someone has put the band type sensors on a 2009 or newer wheel. I had a 2009 F150 king ranch and they had the valve stem type. I had aftermarket wheels for them as well and the tire shop intalled the valve stem type and I switched back and forth every winter and spring with no problems with the TPMS after I programmed it each time. I did purchase the tool from ford to do so and followed the procedure in the 2009 manual for programming the sensors.
I have since sold my 2009 but kept the aftermarket wheels the use them on my new 2012. They work just fine and I still use the old procedure from the 2009 for programming them. I know there is a new procedure in the manual that allows you to program them with out using the tool but I figure if the old one works why screw with it. I would try to program them and see if it works. That would be the easiest way to find out.
I you do have the band type you can leave them in place if you so desire and install the newer valve stem type and just program them to you truck. Try the new procedure for programming if you don't want to purchase the tool, although the tool is pretty inexpensive and you don't have to fill the tires back up after the programming with the old procedure.
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moosesp ... If infact you have 2009 wheels they should have valve stem sensors in them and not the band type.
Currently have used, 2009 TPMS in my after-market 20" wheels on my 2011 FX4 and swap 'em with the what-came-on-the-F-150 18" wheels when winter comes. *No reprogramming necessary.
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Thanks for the tips. The sensors are supposed to get here tomorrow so I'm going to have them put in tomorrow afternoon. I'm just going to have the tire guy break the bead between the tire and rim, pull out the old valve stem, and put in the new one with the TPMS sensor on it. I'm just going to have him leave the old band sensors on the wheels since they shouldn't affect the retraining (I hope). The guy shouldn't be moving the tire around on the rim so they should still be balanced, right? Hopefully they'll reprogram themselves so I won't need the reprogramming tool. If they don't get reprogrammed after a few miles I'll buy the tool next week and see if that works. Thanks again....
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Dude Lebowski ... I'm just going to have him leave the old band sensors on the wheels since they shouldn't affect the retraining (I hope).
The guy shouldn't be moving the tire around on the rim so they should still be balanced, right?
Hopefully they'll reprogram themselves so I won't need the reprogramming tool.
If they don't get reprogrammed after a few miles ...
I'll buy the tool next week and see if that works.
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I just spent 20 minutes looking through the owner's manual and couldn't find anything pertaining to resetting the TPMS sensors. Can you tell me what I'm supposed to do? Thanks....
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Dude Lebowski - I just spent 20 minutes looking through the owner's manual and couldn't find anything pertaining to resetting the TPMS sensors. Can you tell me what I'm supposed to do? Thanks....
2013 F-150 onwer's manual starting at page 373 ...
TPMS Reset Procedure
WARNING: To determine the required pressure(s) for your
vehicle, see the Safety Compliance Certification Label (affixed to
either the door hinge pillar, door-latch post, or the door edge that
meets the door-latch post, next to the driver’s seating position), or Tire
Label located on the B-Pillar or the edge of the driver’s door. See Load
Carrying for more information.
Note: The TPMS reset procedure needs to be performed after each tire
rotation on vehicles that require different recommended tire pressures in
the front tires as compared to the rear tires.
Overview
To provide the vehicle’s load carrying capability, some vehicles require
different recommended tire pressures in the front tires as compared to
the rear tires. The tire pressure monitoring system equipped on these
vehicles is designed to illuminate the low tire pressure warning light at
two different pressures; one for the front tires and one for the rear tires.
Since tires need to be rotated to provide consistent performance and
maximum tire life, the tire pressure monitoring system needs to know
when the tires are rotated to determine which set of tires are on the
front and which are on the rear. With this information, the system can
detect and properly warn of low tire pressures.
TPMS reset tips:
• To reduce the chances of interference from another vehicle, the TPMS
reset procedure should be performed at least three feet (one meter)
away from another Ford Motor Company vehicle undergoing the TPMS
reset procedure at the same time.
• Do not wait more than two minutes between resetting each tire sensor
or the system will time-out and the entire procedure will have to be
repeated on all four wheels.
• A double horn chirp indicates the need to repeat the procedure.
Performing the TPMS Reset Procedure
It is recommended that you read the entire procedure before attempting.
1. Drive the vehicle above 20 mph (32 km/h) for at least two minutes
and then park in a safe location where you can easily get to all four tires
and have access to an air pump.
2. Place the ignition in the off position and keep the key in the ignition.
3. Cycle the ignition to the on position with the engine off.
4. Turn the hazard flashers on then off three times. This must be
accomplished within 10 seconds.
If the reset mode has been entered successfully, the horn will sound
once, the TPMS indicator will flash and a message is shown in the
information display (if equipped). If this does not occur, please try again
starting at Step 2.
If after repeated attempts to enter the reset mode, the horn does not
sound, the TPMS indicator does not flash and no message is shown in
the information display (if equipped), seek service from your authorized
dealer.
5. Note: Train the TPMS sensors in the tires using the following TPMS
reset sequence starting with the left front tire in the following clockwise
order:
• Left front (Driver’s side front tire)
• Right front (Passenger’s side front tire)
• Right rear (Passenger’s side rear tire)
• Left rear (Driver’s side rear tire)
6. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the left front tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
Note: The single horn chirp confirms that the sensor identification code
has been learned by the module for this position. If a double horn is
heard, the reset procedure was unsuccessful, and must be repeated.
7. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the right front tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
8. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the right rear tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
9. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the left rear tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
Training is complete after the horn sounds for the last tire trained
(driver’s side rear tire), the TPMS indicator stops flashing, and a
message is shown in the information display (if equipped)..
10. Turn the ignition off. If two short horn beeps are heard, the reset
procedure was unsuccessful and must be repeated.
If after repeating the procedure and two short beeps are heard when the
ignition is turned to off, seek assistance from your authorized dealer.
11. Set all four tires to the recommended air pressure as indicated on
the Safety Compliance Certification Label (affixed to either the door
hinge pillar, door-latch post, or the door edge that meets the door-latch
post, next to the driver’s seating position) or Tire Label located on the
B-Pillar or the edge of the driver’s door. See Load Carrying for more
information.
WARNING: To determine the required pressure(s) for your
vehicle, see the Safety Compliance Certification Label (affixed to
either the door hinge pillar, door-latch post, or the door edge that
meets the door-latch post, next to the driver’s seating position), or Tire
Label located on the B-Pillar or the edge of the driver’s door. See Load
Carrying for more information.
Note: The TPMS reset procedure needs to be performed after each tire
rotation on vehicles that require different recommended tire pressures in
the front tires as compared to the rear tires.
Overview
To provide the vehicle’s load carrying capability, some vehicles require
different recommended tire pressures in the front tires as compared to
the rear tires. The tire pressure monitoring system equipped on these
vehicles is designed to illuminate the low tire pressure warning light at
two different pressures; one for the front tires and one for the rear tires.
Since tires need to be rotated to provide consistent performance and
maximum tire life, the tire pressure monitoring system needs to know
when the tires are rotated to determine which set of tires are on the
front and which are on the rear. With this information, the system can
detect and properly warn of low tire pressures.
TPMS reset tips:
• To reduce the chances of interference from another vehicle, the TPMS
reset procedure should be performed at least three feet (one meter)
away from another Ford Motor Company vehicle undergoing the TPMS
reset procedure at the same time.
• Do not wait more than two minutes between resetting each tire sensor
or the system will time-out and the entire procedure will have to be
repeated on all four wheels.
• A double horn chirp indicates the need to repeat the procedure.
Performing the TPMS Reset Procedure
It is recommended that you read the entire procedure before attempting.
1. Drive the vehicle above 20 mph (32 km/h) for at least two minutes
and then park in a safe location where you can easily get to all four tires
and have access to an air pump.
2. Place the ignition in the off position and keep the key in the ignition.
3. Cycle the ignition to the on position with the engine off.
4. Turn the hazard flashers on then off three times. This must be
accomplished within 10 seconds.
If the reset mode has been entered successfully, the horn will sound
once, the TPMS indicator will flash and a message is shown in the
information display (if equipped). If this does not occur, please try again
starting at Step 2.
If after repeated attempts to enter the reset mode, the horn does not
sound, the TPMS indicator does not flash and no message is shown in
the information display (if equipped), seek service from your authorized
dealer.
5. Note: Train the TPMS sensors in the tires using the following TPMS
reset sequence starting with the left front tire in the following clockwise
order:
• Left front (Driver’s side front tire)
• Right front (Passenger’s side front tire)
• Right rear (Passenger’s side rear tire)
• Left rear (Driver’s side rear tire)
6. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the left front tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
Note: The single horn chirp confirms that the sensor identification code
has been learned by the module for this position. If a double horn is
heard, the reset procedure was unsuccessful, and must be repeated.
7. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the right front tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
8. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the right rear tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
9. Remove the valve cap from the valve stem on the left rear tire;
decrease the air pressure until the horn sounds.
Training is complete after the horn sounds for the last tire trained
(driver’s side rear tire), the TPMS indicator stops flashing, and a
message is shown in the information display (if equipped)..
10. Turn the ignition off. If two short horn beeps are heard, the reset
procedure was unsuccessful and must be repeated.
If after repeating the procedure and two short beeps are heard when the
ignition is turned to off, seek assistance from your authorized dealer.
11. Set all four tires to the recommended air pressure as indicated on
the Safety Compliance Certification Label (affixed to either the door
hinge pillar, door-latch post, or the door edge that meets the door-latch
post, next to the driver’s seating position) or Tire Label located on the
B-Pillar or the edge of the driver’s door. See Load Carrying for more
information.
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The sensors arrived, I had them installed and the band ones removed, and I had them balanced too. I tried the retraining method but nothing happened. I had the left front tire down to 20 pounds before I gave up. What's my next move-buy a retraining tool? Thanks....
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Dude Lebowski - The sensors arrived, I had them installed and the band ones removed, and I had them balanced too. I tried the retraining method but nothing happened. I had the left front tire down to 20 pounds before I gave up. What's my next move-buy a retraining tool? Thanks....
Agree with AKCJ ...
Take it to your local, friendly FoMoCo dealership service department. Mine also has previously been reset for *free*.
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The training tool arrived today and I followed the instructions and got the "Program Left Front Tire" message. I held the sensor next to the valve stem and nothing happened and finally the horn honked twice which means it didn't work and I needed to start over. I tried it several times and it still wouldn't work. There are two ways to get the car in learn mode-one by turning the key on and off several times and the other is to turn the flashers on and off three times in 10 seconds. I tried both and it still didn't work. Then I remembered someone saying that any other sensors shouldn't be too close to the car. My old wheels were on the other side of the garage about 15 feet away so I pulled the car out in the driveway and tried again and this time it worked! Thanks to all those who offered advice and positive comments....