did we "cheat" when we defeated Iraq in record time because we had superior firepower and technology? nope...

it's run whatcha brung... all's fair in love, war, and racing...

if you want to install nitrous and deal with any potential problems, more power to ya!

I'm a big naturally aspirated fan, but it costs a LOT of money to go really fast NA... when it comes to power adders, I'm more of a turbo guy myself, but I have NOTHING against nitrous whatsoever!!!

Forrest

 

This is how I relate to that point: The US military had superior equipment. To me, that translates to a better engine. I would place nitrous in the same arena as using chemical weapons to kill them the "cheap and easy way". So no, not all is fair in love, war, or even racing.

But really . . . I'm not completely against NOS. I just have my views. Oh yeah, I like to argue too.

 

actually, chemical weapons would be more like a turbocharger since you can go much faster w/ a turbo than with juice... but... I too like to argue!

Forrest

 

Wow... A lot of opinons. . I say if it bothers you, tell the guy your about to run (sitting at the light just before it turns green)....
"Oh, buy the way.... Did I tell you I have NOS?" Then smoke his doors off. Remember this, without rules YOUR NOT CHEATING. When I was a street racer I never ran with NOS, I was never beeten by NOS so NOS was only a thought. Beside, I didn't have the money for it back then Fact is, just running your car is gonna limit it's life... How much, no one can say but if she's running good keep the oil changed, a good set of treads and a six pack chillin back at the crib..... It's all good

 

No mater how you build up your motor you'll always have a trade off. With this in mind you cant really "Cheat" when you use something on your engine unless your involved in something with rules that prohibit you using something. In street racing, anything goes, no rules no cheating was brought up in an earlier reply so i wont ramble on about it. Wether your running N/A, Forced induction, or Nitrous your going to have something that equals out what power your adding to your engine. With an N/A engine most often the power you get is equalized if not overthrown by the money/time/effort it takes to build up a GOOD N/A motor. With NOS and Forced induction the power gains are equaled by the money you need to spend to make the engine withstand the extra "Boost". Wether its upgraded oil/fuel systems, Stronger bottom end ect. The weight of all the parts you have to add to make your engine withstand "FI" or "NOS" also evens out the odds. Stuff like Bigger radiators, intercoolers, or even 1 or 2 big bottles of nitrous plus the tubing and what not needed to make the system work. Then the upgraded suspention and beefier axles and tires to take all the added power adds weight. The ideal build up with an N/A car is to make the engine as fast as possible without having to increase the weight of the car, if not reduce the weight of the car which would be your best bet. Theres always a trade off, so as long as your willing to accept that tradeoff you wont be cheating because the guy your racing against has more than likely made some tradeoffs of his own. Think of it this way, by not using NOS or FI your making it harder for yourself to build a faster engine as easy and as cheap as the "Cheaters" .. BUT if and when you do smoke that NOS toting racer with your pure N/A car.. you'll feel DAMN GOOD!!! X04

Enough of this newbies ranting.. im gonna hit the sack..

P.S. dont take too much of what i say to heart im just an 18 year old who plays too many racing games.. (MCO will live forever!):-

 

I've got a new approach to this street racing thing: Gonna use a tow rope to pull my car with an even faster car. Hey, "nothing is cheating"--or something like that.

 

You got it, without rules .... You ain't cheat'n!!!

 

Damn Forrest, is there any web site concerning internal combustion engines you do not go to?
Nitrous guy here, the initial cost is much less than a blower or turbo but after 20 bottles at $35 a bottle you're in the A-trim blower realm in cost. (500+700=1200)
As for building totally forged motor for nitrous, I've seen LS1s run in the 10's on nitrous using the stock hyperpathetic pistons. A late forged piston 5.0 can usually handle quite a bit of juice on the stock block, pistons and rods.
On that subject, I know someone who has run in the 9's on a STOCK 5.0 shortblock. Stock right down to the rod bolts. I saw a 135 mph blast from his car just a month ago at HRP. Of course he's using a turbo/carb setup. But you don't have to have big dollar motors to go fast.
Another example is a friends '93 Cobra, supercharged from the second week he bought it, after 10 years and over 100 11.4xx passes he took it out, he wants to go faster. This engine was so stock that the only thing he's ever done to the engine was remove the upper intake for 42 lb injectors. For those who don't know, '93 5.0 motors had hyperpathetic pistons too.
Frank

 

I run a 150 shot of nos in my car but rarely do I even open the valve on the bottle. I can and do smoke rat motors on a regular basis with the good old 428. Now if they want to race with juice then lets crack open the bottles and see who really is faster.

For the most part though I just use my car to torment all those rice rockets, no need for nos there.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ratsmoker
[B]Nitropropane huh?

The thing about nitro-carbon fuels is that they burn at extremely rich mixtures. Whereas gasoline burns stoichiometrically at 14.7:1 air/fuel, nitro fuel is closer to 4.5:1. NHRA Nitro cars run 4:1 to combat detonation with their astronomical boost coming from screw-type superchargers. It also burns slower, requiring around 60 degrees of spark lead, versus 36-38 degrees from gasoline. Think about the air demand of a 13,000 RPM supercharged big block, which is easily 5 times the air demand of anything we drive. Now think about how 4:1 air to fuel is more than 3 times richer than a gas engine, even running 12.5:1 (rich), and you can start to see how NHRA nitro cars easily consume fuel 15 times faster than anything we have, And we think a 750 cfm 4 bbl is a big carb! That is cool stuff, but it belongs in one place- ON THE TRACK!

IMHO- it's not that nitrous is cheating, because if that were true, then so would all blowers and hair dryers too, it's the fact that it's not always there when you crank it up in the morning, or when you pull in the garage at night. You could have it there, and you could have it every time you merged on the freeway, but using nitrous that frequently will have you fishing for iron between your fenderwells. I like cars that are domesticated enough for everyday street use, use their own lungs to breath, and Amoco 93 octane (87 is even cooler!), but can terrorize the import populous whenever you reach more than 2/3 into the throttle. Yes, this sounds like a perfect description of a nitrous lover's mentality, but the difference is that you can't get 200,000 miles out of a fireworks-fed engine.

It was said that any hot rodding will damage the life of the engine, which is not true. My motor was not built on the principle of making maximum screamin' RPM power, rather to have a very efficient, reliable machine that could produce 400 ft*lbs of Torque any day of the week, for years to come, while displacing only 5 liters. None of my modifications will hinder longevity, in fact, every one of them improves engine durability. I'll talk to you in several years when I have 150,000 on the clock and I'm still making 60 psi oil pressure. TK

 

Very well put.... Cheating is all in the eyes of the beholder.

This isn't rocket science, it's Street Racing..... And street racing has always been and will always be .... "Run what you brung"!

 

i think it is cheating anybody can bolt it up if they had the money but why would you want something that you really screw up your motor that you have put so much money and work into, anyways i think it should be ALL THROTTLE NO BOTTLE that way you show how much real not fake power you really have

 

Longevity is not an issue for lead foot drivers who need all the gear chewin axle stripping clutch killing power they can get under the hood

 

I say, build a mild engine you don't mind tooling around in. Throw a bottle of NOS at it (100-250 shot) and wholla.... You got the makings for a nice fun ride. Don't sweet the small stuff, every time you start the engine you wear a few more minutes of life out of it. So don't blow all your cash on a killer engine/car combo that passes everything but a gas station. That doesn't leave much left for you to enjoy.....
Street racing is run what you brung and thats what you live by. There are no rules except those you apply to yourselves, don't push those rules onto others because it always comes back to....

It's STREET RACING, there is no room on the soap box for second place!!!

 

speaking of injecting fuels...

why not inject oxygen? Besides its corosiveness and readiness to blow up your car (hmm, gasoline?) wouldn't it be pretty nice?