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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 12:57 PM
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Okay, I just checked the IDM on another truck and it fired right up. So, it looks like i can rule out the IDM.

So, now I can start testing the ICP and IPR

I replaced the #18 fuse which looks like its just for the Trailer charge system anyway. Still no start.

I also have another GPR that I am going to swap in, although I doubt that is it anyway.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 01:28 PM
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Make sure the HPOP Reservoir is full. Excessive cranking can drain it faster than the LPOP can fill it. Batteries fully charged?
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 01:32 PM
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Don't bother swapping the GPR. Just jump the big terminals with a big screwdriver if it isn't working. If it is working it won't spark, if it is dead, then you'll get a little spark when you make the connection.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hussler
Make sure the HPOP Reservoir is full. Excessive cranking can drain it faster than the LPOP can fill it. Batteries fully charged?
I have the charger on the batteries right now. Its cranking fine though. They are 11/2011 batteries.

I'm leaning towards a bad IPR, but the test I see asks for the motor to be running during the test.

This has got to be a fuel delivery issue IMO. So, one of these sensors is the cause. Fuel bowl is full too.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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Wait to start light comes on as it normally would?

Any smoke out the tailpipe?

Try unhooking the ICP and cranking it.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 02:03 PM
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Was able to use my scanner to pull two stored codes:
P1661
P1212

Usually the P1212 is either low oil in the HPOP or the ICP sensor itself is bad. Right?
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 02:05 PM
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Sounds that way to me although I think it could be a wiring issue as well. Unplug the ICP and see if it will start.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DIYMechanic
Wait to start light comes on as it normally would?

Any smoke out the tailpipe?

Try unhooking the ICP and cranking it.
Yes, Wait to Start light functions normally. voltage will drop when it comes on.

No smoke out tailpipe. Leads me to believe its not getting fuel at all.

Unhooked ICP. Full of oil too. Likely bad. Still no start. Batteries are getting low though. I'm jumping it with a Durango at the shop. Need to wait a little to let the batteries recover.

With ICP unplugged I get a P1280 now as well
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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I think that ICP sensor is bad. Typically if they have oil in them, they're shot. Swap the one on from another truck and see what happens once the batteries are charged.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DIYMechanic
I think that ICP sensor is bad. Typically if they have oil in them, they're shot. Swap the one on from another truck and see what happens once the batteries are charged.
Unfortunately, that truck being here is a fluke. Gonna have to find another one. My buddy Brian's will work for a guinea pig though.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 02:53 PM
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Yeah, I say "Try it before you buy it"!
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 03:30 PM
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Make sure your batteries are fully charged. If the cranking volts drop below 10.5v the idm will not fire the injectors
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 05:29 PM
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One GP shouldn't stop a truck from starting. With a good starting system it should start in the mid 40's* without GP's
Spring and fall here it can get below freezing and I have had as little as one out and it wouldn't start. When I bought the truck 15 years ago I would have said the same thing it. I took it in and the mechanic told me that(sounded crazy) then he change the bad one and the next morning it started no problem. He gave me the procedure for what ohms resistance values are suppose to be, where to check them in the harness and I have changed about 20+ since then and a timer or two as well. Some times they I give a high resistance in the harness, pull the valve cover and find the plug has vibrated loose too, check them right at the GP and their fine.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeepincj7
Turns out its a 94.5 truck. Definitely NOT an IDI motor. Its a powerstroke.
173K on it.
Has to be a standard transmission I prefer a standard ..........Great Buy
 
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 06:03 PM
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Pulled the allen key fill plug on the HPOP and its full of oil. Really leaning towards the ICP. Ordered one anyway, but will check my buddy's tomorrow I hope.
 
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