How do you all feel about the Patriot Act passed after Sept. 11?? I know how a few towns feel about it.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/05/1....ap/index.html


Rich

 

I have nothing to hide but hate snoops and totally fear what this law could do in the wrong hands.

On the other hand, this is what terrorists have forced us to do. We should hate them not our government.

Okay, so I'm taking both sides and arguing with myself.

 

Whether we realize or not we have lost alot of our basic freedom's guaranteed to us (before 9\11) and we will probably Never get them back. This Al Queda thing is going too go on forever with aBsolutely NO Closure. The Bush adm. is going to keep sticking it in our face so that they don't have to Restore any of the restrictive laws passed by a Compliant Congress. Yes , we will suffer some very bad destruction and deaths on our own soil from time to time, but is it worth having the government continually sticking their noses up our Skirts without having to justify any of their actions. Only time will tell. fd

 

Come on Guys/Gals, I really want more opinions to help me decide.


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Hmm well I bank with the soil

Use old coffee cans to put my money in then put them in the ground...And all you need is a shovel when you want to make a withdrawl.....and a shovel to make a deposit

So bank doesn't get info on me

 

I wonder what would have happened if they called it the "Broadening Investigational Latitude and Suspension of Privacy Rights Act"...do you think it would have passed? Would Bush have signed it into law?
Of course they would have. It's all the same to them...I mean, would a rose by another name smell as sweet?
Law enforcement agencies HATE our right to privacy; it makes their jobs more difficult and irrelevant.
BDV

 

Yes Mr. fatdaddy your freedom to act any F+_)^&%&king
way you want has been restricted,we no longer live in the 60's
mentality of free sex and rock and roll. after 9/11 things have changed, we are in a terrorist world.I recently attended a week long school at MT. Weather VA. and learned about emergency
operations and EMS..which I have been working in for 13 years.
there are a great deal of very serious folks working day and night to protect you. I would love to meet the joebobs in the world that are going to protect there family shopping at the mall from a suicide bomber with there truck,shotgun,and good 'ol american
freedom.....I dought if george washington and our forfathers
could see 200 years into the future,a future that involves shiites
,islamic jihad,and alkida. I f you are honked off because the
patriot act allows the goverment a few intrusions of your so called
privacy so be it,how honked off are you when credit card companies call and know you are refinancing your home, or the
many other companies that know your personal information.
get a life,grow up and live in our present world.........Dave

 

The Patriot Act is a stupid law, as far as I am concerned the terrorists win with this law in place. Sadly more and more of America's freedoms are being eroded. I am sure some die hard Bush supporters will flame me now.

 

Like with everything, there has to be a balance.

Do we really want absolute freedom without any restrictions/boundries? Not only would that apply to you but those around you to do as they please. We may say that others can do as they please as long as it doesn't bother or effect me. It sounds good on the surface. But if you hold on to that argument then you have nothing to complain about while I'm out driving in my big gas guzzeling S.U.V. (if I had one). But yet we hear those who claim that they harm the environment and that we should drive something more environmently friendly. Everything we do effects those around us in some way. Do my rights, to do what I please over ride your rights? No. There has to be boundries and system of checks and balances to keep those boundires in place. I think our forefathers did a good job of comming up with a plan.

Does the patriot act effect me directly? No. I still have the same freedoms as before except now the government can find out more about me. Does it bother me? Perhaps a little but that's a price I'm willing to pay, for now. At least the government is doing something to combat terrorism and they'er up front about it. When they do these type of things without our knowledge is when it becomes a big problem. And if we don't like what they are doing, we can say so with our vote.

These people up in northern California disagree with the government. Fine. They are excercising their right to disagree. But isn't ironic that these same people who don't want the government to interfere with their lives are interfering into the lives of others who might agree with the government by imposing a fine? It's like saying, " we disagree with the government and you better disagree too and do as we say or you will be fined". Talk about oppression!

 

Hello, mr. McCarthy - it's been a long time.

On that note; I put it to you that those of us in the Armed Forces lost a whole truck-load of our basic civil rights when we signed up. So to me, and others, it looks kind of familiar.

Damn if I wanted to go through twenty years of military life and have fewer rights than when I started though... I thought I was serving to prevent that from happening!

But reality is a female schnauser.

There are several ways we can go in our daily habits. Avoid telephones, use ATM withdrawals strictly, visit Vegas and launder money through "CHIP" transactions (IE: Suppose I have a deal with someone- rather than write a check, or pay cash, we go to a casino, have the money changed into chips, and pass them to eachother. Who is to say anything transacted?), insist on cash, rent a post office box with forwarding, the list goes on and on...

It strikes me that the "BARTER" system has huge advantages, but not if you don't get things set down on paper.

Enough of that. The "PATRIOTS" act assumes that the terrorists will continue to be stupid. -Reasonable, given the overall profile thus far. But what if they don't? In that event we have an intrusive piece of legislature on the books, and no real results thanks to it.

In the end, the effect of it is to set a "PRECEDENT" under which similar laws can pass. This would be troublesome, but the precedent is already on the books (note line #1, above).

It is called McCarthyism.

But the thing that makes it all seem somewhat foolish is that if we have nothing whatever to hide, why the hell should it bother us?

Screw them anyway, I never put my dirty laundry online...

 

As far as being Stuck in Da 60's...yes I am Musically. You see, we had people back then who had too have Talent to get a contract. These idiot screamers\Rappers are all about making NOISE. That's all they know how to do. No melody , no rhythm , no rhyme.....no words that tell a story or make any sense whatsoever. Re-Patriot Act.....It is a positive sign that some people are already willing to defy the gov't as they know when they are being Screwed. Don't **** on my leg and tell me it's raining, please...........Here is the fallacy in accepting your argument for accepting "LESS" Freedom....It's like letting a person tell you to keep taking a Small Step backward . At some point your going to run out of terra firma and your going to plunge into the abyss. We all deserve to have the SAME amount of freedom NOW as When the constitution was origionally written. Anything less is an Abridgement of our rights as well as our freedoms and WILL NOT be tolerated , not EVER. If you don't believe me just take a stroll thru Arlington nat'l cementery and ask ALL who are Buried there how they feel about it and you'll understand why they gave their lives for what we have NOW......fd

 

Well at least the goverment hasnt stricken the right of FTEs to
!!!! Dave

 

If you don't sell or smuggle drugs, manufacture bombs, commit fraud, traffic immigrants, embezzle or launder money, participate in gang activity, hang out with the Arab kids from the university, or get drunk and make terrorist threats, you have nothing to worry about from the Patriot Act.
What you DO have to worry about, as previously stated, are the laws that are going to be passed in the future based upon the precedent set by this "act."
As far as I know, the Man has way bigger fish to fry than me. I bought my fishing license, my truck and car are both insured, and my rent is paid. They can come to my door, and I'll offer them a beer...
BDV

 

I don't like the fact that the Patriot act is on the books, as it can, and possibly will be used, against its original purpose thus, erroding what few remaining freedoms we americans have.

On another note, it appears that, if the Patriot act wasn't bad enough.... There's a technology coming out soon, that can possibly comprimise your entire computer, and give someone else control of it.


If any of you want to read up about it...i've got some links for you, the new Technology being hawked by Microsoft and backed by some hardware manufacturers is called TCPA, or Palladium...or NGSCB...but i'll let you read it yourself and you decide.

Microsoft TCPA

More about TCPA

 

On a similar note I saw a news report about fitting black boxes in cars to report position, speed, seat belt use, how loud the radio is, etc. Supposedly this little recorder will enable accident investigators to reconstruct accidents and determine fault. Concievably with advanced GPS it could report speeding to local police and you could be mailed a ticket. Personally I think this technology would be a invasion of privacy.