Lets get the pictures out of the way first...Story after





For the eagle eyes out there...no, I dont have the shocks installed yet. (They won't be until I have the height sorted out. My buddy needed to use my lift so we finished up the springs, put the wheels on and moved it outside.

Now that your done laughing....


I purchased the springs off craigs list from a guy who said it had taken them off his f250 with a plow package which he had lifted. He had already sold the truck so I couldn't see data plate. From my reading, it seemed like a safe bet and for 150 bucks I figured why not. When I arrived to pick them up, I found the guy had bought an excursion. After the springs were safely in my car and he was paid, I told him I was putting them onmine. You could see this surprise on his face when he said..."You can do that?"

After stalling a few mths I attempted to put them on this weekend (rear only so far).

I followed some writeups on and apparently misread something along the way..haha. I plan to resolve this before I continue. So far, I plan on removing the f250 overloadspring and possible getting some drop shackles..(Need oppions on this)

Tired as hell right now so I'll put upsome more details and maybe some better pics tomorrow.

 

Patiently waiting

 

Wow....this is interesting.

I'm gonna guess that the springs are too long and therefore are bowing downward? If that's the case how in the hell did you get them on there? I feel for you though, it's not an easy thing to change springs on these and yours is gonna have to come apart again.

 

Put some larger tires in the back and it'll be like a dragster.

 

My guess is they they are just really beefy springs and putting drop shackles is a bad band-aid. What was the intention in the first place? I would just remove some leaves or sell those to someone interested in doing a big lift.

 

This is what I pretty much think happened here.

After some sleep and coffee, I went out and looked some more.

1. I did the mod right.
2. After looking at some pics of unmodded B's, I determined mine had much more of an arch in them prior to the mods.
3. I couldn't really put a drop shackel on this thing anyways as there really isnt any room. Maybe 1" at best (I'll post a pic below)

Now I need to figure out where to go from here.

I measured it again in the garage as opposed to the rocky driveway where I took last nights pic. I am at 46.5" on both sides. I think I need to drop it around 4.5-5" to be where everyone else is. (Can anyone confirm this? I just read for the past hour and very few people list their before and after height. Its always "I gainted 2".

I figure I could remove the stock block as I dont have a rear sway bar so thats an easy 2"

Then, I could remove the overload and 2 excursion leafs to drop another inch. Hopefully that inch with the springs being able to compress a bit more will give me the correct height.

Ok...what do you guys think? Here are a few more pictures for your entertainment and review.

Here you can see the modded spring. The red bushings are from the energy suspension poly master kit. Clearly you can see the overload and two excursion leafs.


Here is the outside angle


Shackel. Obviously not much room for a longer one.


I'm posting this to show another mistake I made. Notice the ubolt is on an angle? I'll be correcting it when I get back to work on this. (I'm not driving the truck until its corrected so no need for font driven all caps replys..lol)


Here is how much play is left in the brake line. Its not terrible but if the truck was to stay at this height (Its not), it would have to be lengthened. (Again, it will not see the road they way it is)


Lastly....Does anyone know where this attaches? I know its the vent but I didnt see an obvious place it went. Admittedly I didnt look very carefully as I and other pressing things at the moment.

Thanks

 

Stock mine was 39 1/4" from the ground to the top of the wheel well, just the way you measured it. My height now varies with pressure in the bags, but I'm pretty level with my front V-codes at 40" from the ground.

 

Agree with removing the extra leaves and block. How did the unloaded leaf look compared with the originals? If you go that route, you'll need some shorter u-bolts. That hose heading upward should clip into the top of the frame with a plastic barb on the end.

 

why did you add the extra leaves in backwards? I see larger leaves on the bottom.

It should be smallest first then progressively larger to the top. I think that is be your issue.

Take the unmodified b code apart, put the last two msall leaves from the original pack in between the Main Bottom leaf of the B codes and the progressive springs.. You have the pack installed really wrong, and the Main Bottom leaf is missing.

 

Take a look at this picture of the springs in my Ex.




At the bottom, just above the riser block, is the Anti-wrap spring leaf that I cut off and installed IN the pack as a spacer.

Next up is the Main Bottom (I mistakenly called it the overload leaf in the post above) leaf from the B codes.

Next is the 2nd smallest leaf from the OEM Excursion spring pack. I only installed this one. You would install both leaves, smallest one on the bottom of the progressive leaf pack.

The four leaves on top are the remaining B code springs.

You need to always have the spring leaves smaller to top to allow progressive operation. The way you have yours in there, they will quickly fail due to fatigue.

The Main Bottom leaf on the B codes are an exception. This is a really thick heavy leaf that is not intended to bend, but act a a slightly curved floor for the progressive leaves to bend down to and no farther.

Also, whatever bottom leaf you are using there, it is not a B code spring part.. I don't recognize that leaf from any of them.

 

Maybe that is the acual overload spring from the F350. That would explain the curve in it.. In anycase, I don't think it has any place on a Excursion. The Superduties and the Excursions can use the same spring, but the Superduty has a overload spring on the top that is meant to rub on stops on the frame.. There is NO provision or capability on the Ex to use this.

 

Thanks...

Holy crap!...I cant believe I did that and I cant believe I didnt notice it...hahaha

No I gotta go see if I did the other side like that...I dont think I did as I was much less tired at that point..lol

Thanks for pointing that out!...Its even more FAIL.

While I agree they are wrong, I dont think thats causing the extra height. Right now they are only acting as spacers.(Which would mean even if I lose the blocks and bottom three springs...I might still be too high...DOH!)

I see my springs had a much larger arc in them to start compared to the b springs I see posted. I hadn't noticed before. I'll try to dig up a pic.

I think it might be something like this. It did come off the bottom of the spring. The was no spacer or extra spring on top.


I really wonder what the hells these springs are off of? The appeared factory and had factory like numbers on them. I dont know the guy but he didnt seem like a scammer. He even offered to take my resume because it turns out were in the same industry.

 

After you re-do the spring pack and take that spacer out you should be OK but I would leave an anti-wrap leaf in.

 

My EX was 39" all stock (when I bought in May of this year) after putting Pro Comp springs front and rear 22210 and 22415 I am at 42" all around, but in the rear this is WITH removing the rear block and replacing with a 1/4" angled shim to set the pinion angle properly. If I had left the rear block I would have been much like your photos. Not sure how the Pro Comp compares to stock F250 but ironically I also put in a Dana 60 that came off a F250 and attached to it were Pro Comp 22210, when I bought it thought I was getting stock springs per the door tag, realized later they were Pro Comp. Ending up buying rear one's to match.

 

I think I'm going to take this advice.


I searched around and could not find more info on rear springs. I'm confident that they are ford springs as they have those cryptic ford part numbers on them which no one can ever translate..haha

So here is the plan...Let me know what you guys think.

I'm going to order new pins and u-bolts.

Then i'm going to put the anti-wrap leaf back in the way it was stock but remove the two excursion leafs, the curved overload spring, and the factory block.

It might still be an inch or so high so that happens, I'll order a 1" drop shackle which is honestly about and big of a shackle you can install.

Before I do any of this however, I'm going to install the front springs and see what I end up with up there..haha..