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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:06 PM
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New guy here with 6.0 issues!

Hey guys im new on here. so alright hes what i got going here i have a 2004 ford f 250 with a 6 speed manual tranny 4x4. I bought the truck with 105,000 miles on it, at 115,000 i did a full egr delete and last week at 120,000 i did a new oil cooler all my temps seem to be good the truck eot and ect are acctually colder then they were to begin with. it has a drop in filter and 4 inch banks exhaust just driving the truck around im okay but only when i am towing a trailer i am puking coolant from the degas but it only pukes to where their is no coolant in the degas then it quits. cold its probbly an inch below in min mark on the degas bottle. ive been told its my head gaskets. but i hade the coolant checked for contamination and im clean so im stumped, anyone have any ideas? i would appreciate it thanks!
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:12 PM
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What do you mean you had the coolant checked for contaminants? What were you checking for?

You say it doesn't puke when the degas bottle is empty, but when that happens how do you know you have enough coolant in the system? It clearly won't "puke" when there isn't enough coolant "to puke".

You need a pressure gauge on the degas bottle, but with an EGR delete, it sure does sound like head gaskets.

How hot is the coolant getting?
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:16 PM
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im not sure i took it too a local shop and they said they did a coolant sample to test for hg's and it came up clean, and yes ive been seeing some stuff on the gauge thats my next task
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:17 PM
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and when it pukes and i fill it back up it normally doesnt even take half a gallon, and thats going 1/2 inch below the min mark
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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Are you filling it up with water or 50/50 coolant?

Again - how hot is your coolant getting?
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:26 PM
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when i flushed it before i did the cooler i did 2 gallong of cat ec1 and the rest distilled and ive just been adding distilled, and normal without towing between 197 adn ive seen it hit 215 but thats in this florida heat
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:30 PM
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As you keep diluting it, you will puke more and more .... and before long you will allow boilng to happen inside the engine. That can cause problems. Water boils at 212 (with zero back pressure). Coolant (50/50) boils at 223 degrees with no back pressure. It may not sound like much difference, but it is!
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:31 PM
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so i should put more coolant in the system is what your saying? sould i just flush it and do a full fill of stright 50/50 mix?
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:39 PM
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You need to quickly determine what the problem is. A pressure gauge on the degas bottle is the quickest way I know of, but only you can say how dilute the system is. Personally, I wouldn't want to be driving it at less than a 40% coolant mix.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:41 PM
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10-4 ill get on the pressure gauge tomorrow. im praying its not hg's i try not to run it hard i allwasy turn my tune down when i tow but maybe its time for arp's
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:47 PM
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Towing with tunes can be an issue if it is not a properly written "tow-tune".

There are some suggestions on gauges in the "Coolant Loss" thread in the tech folder.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:49 PM
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Here's a video on how to measure the cooling system pressure to diagnose a head gasket failure.

HEAD GASKET TEST for 6.0 POWERSTROKE - YouTube

Good Luck...
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 08:54 PM
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IMO the video has some mistakes. One mistake is that you CAN get some white smoke with leaking head gaskets (usually it is slight and it will be primarily at start-up). Leaking EGR coolers can also result in some quick pressure rises in the degas bottle (it is not just head gaskets leaking that does this). The only 100% sure way to tell if it is an EGR cooler vs a head gasket issue is to remove the EGR cooler and pressure test (or vacuum test) it. Of course if you have a proper EGR system delete, the troubleshooting is easier.

The thread in the Tech Folder is pretty much from the TSB - with a few exceptions.


I certainly do NOT advocate the EDAS system or getting his "hero kit".

The way he hooks up the pressure gauge is a good way to do it.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 09:01 PM
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IMO the video has some mistakes. One mistake is that you CAN get some white smoke with head gaskets. Leaking EGR coolers can also result in some quick pressure rises in the degas bottle. The only 100% sure way to tell if it is an EGR cooler vs a head gasket issue is to remove the EGR cooler and pressure test (or vacuum test) it.

The thread in the Tech Folder is pretty much from the TSB - with a few exceptions.


I certainly do NOT advocate the EDAS system or getting his "hero kit".

The way he hooks up the pressure gauge is a good way to do it.
Agreed... I'm not advocating the EDAS system, but the video makes it simple for the first timer to perform this test.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 09:03 PM
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You are right Troy - thanks for posting it.
 
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