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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 10:47 AM
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AOD Transmission trouble

Hi everyone, I have an 86 f150 with a 302 coupled with an AOD and its started acting up. After driving about 5 minutes, when I try to accelerate, the truck tries to stall so I gently increase speed and then the transmission starts jumping and jerking. Then once I get past the jerking and up to highway speeds nothing goes wrong until I start to slow down and it jumps a little bit when I'm stopping.

Is my transmission toast?
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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Before you condemn the transmission, ask the engine management computer what it thinks is going on. IOW pull the codes.

Fuel Injection Technical Library » How To Run a Self-Test
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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Before you condemn the transmission, ask the engine management computer what it thinks is going on. IOW pull the codes.

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Thanks for the link. I'll post the codes when I get them.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 06:16 PM
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Ok. I broke down and bought a code reader. I know I could do the blinking light method but having the reader will help in the future IMO.

I just don't know what the codes are trying to tell me.

For my KOEO codes I got:
87
54

When I did the KOER:
21
41
32
77
25
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by paulwjax
Ok. I broke down and bought a code reader. I know I could do the blinking light method but having the reader will help in the future IMO.

I just don't know what the codes are trying to tell me.

For my KOEO codes I got:
87
54

When I did the KOER:
21
41
32
77
25
You should also be getting some CM (Continuous Memory) codes, these show up directly after the KOEO codes (at least using the blinkenlight method) and represent what has happened in recent history that the computer is aware of. One of the Ford books I was reading (don't recall which error I was looking up) told me to deal with all CM issues first.

There are links to the code interpretations at the bottom of that self-test page I posted earlier.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 07:01 PM
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Sounds like the torque converter is not un locking. Check the wiring harness conection on the passenger side of the trans.


I don't think AOD has codes Chris.
 
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Code 54 on the KOEO was a CM. ACT circuit is open. Does that mean a bad wire or the sensor itself is bad?
 
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Could be just a dirty connection.
 
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Originally Posted by dustybumpers
I don't think AOD has codes Chris.
Yeah, you're right, Charlie, the AOD is all mechanical and isn't computer-controlled, I know that.

But, I'm encouraging the OP to investigate the engine before condemning the transmission because, what may appear to be a transmission problem, is often not the case at all. At least in my experience.

He's saying the engine "stalls" when he tries to accelerate, and some of his codes are referring to fuel pumps not getting the correct voltage. It also looks like the computer perpetually thinks the engine is cold (not warmed up) based on the ECT showing up.

I'm just trying to take care of what is known to be wrong before trying to find problems with something that may be OK and is just exhibiting symptoms of problems being upstream.

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Originally Posted by paulwjax
Code 54 on the KOEO was a CM. ACT circuit is open. Does that mean a bad wire or the sensor itself is bad?
You don't know. And, we here certainly won't, either. Welcome to the joys of early-era computerized engine management, you have to troubleshoot the true cause on your own. Could be bad wiring, bad connections, bad sensor, bad grounds, etc. etc. etc.

Locate your ACT sensor and investigate from there.
 
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
You don't know. And, we here certainly won't, either. Welcome to the joys of early-era computerized engine management, you have to troubleshoot the true cause on your own. Could be bad wiring, bad connections, bad sensor, bad grounds, etc. etc. etc.

Locate your ACT sensor and investigate from there.
While you were writing this I was battling the Florida Mosquito Army and putting in a patch wire on the ACT pigtail that had worked its way lose. Pulled the codes again and got the 87 but no code 54 for the ACT

I think I had to replace the ACT a year or so ago and remember it acting funky and stalling like this problem so hopefully just a bad wire was the problem.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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For the code 87, find the fuel pump relay, it's the green one ( brown one is ecm), and check the connection. They have a habit of rotting off inside, and sort of still functioning. if the connector itself is too corroded beyond cleaning, Napa sells a patch kit.

Have you put a guage on the fuel line yet to see what your pressure is?
 
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The ECT code isn't good, either - computer doesn't know the engine has warmed up so it'll run rich. The fuel pump stuff isn't good, either, it wouldn't surprise me if this was the cause of your apparent stalling.
 
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After a quick drive to the store and back its running like it used to. Now I need to address the other issues but will have to tackle them in the morning.

The ECT is located next to the distributor right?
 
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