1965 C-600 Decode
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1965 C-600 Decode
Could someone be kind enough to "decode" the following tag? Obviously, some of the fields are self explanatory, but included for completeness.
Additionally, are the 3-volume "1965 Ford Trucks Shop Manual" and "1964-72 Ford Truck Master Parts Catalog CD" (like the one available from vendors such as HiPoParts.com) applicable to this truck?
Code:
C60MU709### W.B. Color Model Body Trans Axle 135 C C600 A91 A F8 D Max. G.V.W. Lbs. Cert. Net H.P. RPM D.S.O. 2000 0 160 3800 52
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06-11-2012, 12:37 PM
Could someone be kind enough to "decode" the following tag? Obviously, some of the fields are self explanatory, but included for completeness.
VIN: C60MU709###
W.B. = 135 / Color: C / Model: C600 / Body: A91 / Trans: A ?? / AXLE: F8D
Max. G.V.W. Lbs. = 20,000 / Cert. Net H.P. = 160 / RPM: 3800 / D.S.O. = 52.
Additionally, are the 3-volume "1965 Ford Trucks Shop Manual" and "1964-72 Ford Truck Master Parts Catalog CD" (like the one available from vendors such as HiPoParts.com) applicable to this truck?
VIN: C60MU709###
W.B. = 135 / Color: C / Model: C600 / Body: A91 / Trans: A ?? / AXLE: F8D
Max. G.V.W. Lbs. = 20,000 / Cert. Net H.P. = 160 / RPM: 3800 / D.S.O. = 52.
Additionally, are the 3-volume "1965 Ford Trucks Shop Manual" and "1964-72 Ford Truck Master Parts Catalog CD" (like the one available from vendors such as HiPoParts.com) applicable to this truck?
C60 = C600 Series Tilt Cab (gas).
M = 330 2V Heavy Duty FT engine.
U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.
709### = 1965, assembled July 1965.
135" Wheelbase.
C = Pure White.
C600 (gas), 20,000 lbs. GVWR
A91: A = Light Gray Crush Vinyl & Gray Twill Stripe Woven Plastic / 91 = 91B C Series Tilt Cab Custom Cab.
A = ?? Not listed for 1965, except for the 3 speed manual.
F8D: F8 = Eaton model 13802 Two Speed Rear Axle / 6.33/8.81 / 15,000 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity // D = Rockwell-Timken 7,000 lb, Capacity Front Axle
20,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.
160 net HP @ 3,800 RPM
52 = Des Moines IA Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.
The parts catalog covers all series' of trucks, Econolines (I just used this CD to decode everything but the July birth month). But not 1966/72 Bronco's, as they're listed in the 1965/72 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog.
If the shop manual includes all series' of trucks, it's correct.
Verify what the TRANS & AXLE codes are by looking on the Warranty Plate, either located on the left door face near the latch, or on the inside of the glovebox door.
btw: Battleship USS IOWA (BB-61) now located in the Port of Los Angeles, will open July 7th as a museum ship. Over the past 21 years, it was rusting away along with the rest of reserve fleet in Suisun Bay CA
Donated by the USN in September 2011 to the Pacific Battleship Center.
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Thanks for the decode.
The stamped numbers/letters don't quite match up under the printed letters on the tag. I tried spacing them as best as I could to match how they look on the plate.
Under the TRANS and AXLE print, after the stamped "A91" it's:
"A" (space) "F8" (space) "D" (end of stampings)
The truck does have a 5-speed and a gear splitter.
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The move of the USS Iowa has been well covered by the local media. Big deal having the name-sake battleship finally get the attention it deserves instead of being left to decay.
The stamped numbers/letters don't quite match up under the printed letters on the tag. I tried spacing them as best as I could to match how they look on the plate.
Under the TRANS and AXLE print, after the stamped "A91" it's:
"A" (space) "F8" (space) "D" (end of stampings)
The truck does have a 5-speed and a gear splitter.
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The move of the USS Iowa has been well covered by the local media. Big deal having the name-sake battleship finally get the attention it deserves instead of being left to decay.
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Regarding the Shop Manual and Master Parts/Accessories CD, which is the more detailed of the two, and would be the most useful in regards to service and parts replacement? Specifically in regards to areas like maintenance/replacement of the shift linkage, clutch hydraulics, wiring diagrams, brake system, etc.
I'm familiar with the detail level of GM service manuals from the late 50's/early 60's and modern GM service manuals, but not their Ford counterparts.
I'm familiar with the detail level of GM service manuals from the late 50's/early 60's and modern GM service manuals, but not their Ford counterparts.
#5
06-11-2012, 05:33 PM
The parts catalog can also be used as an assembly/disassembly manual because it has every part of the truck illustrated.
Plus you also get the part numbers that if required (90% are obsolete), you can search for on PartsVoice.com.
The only A trans code listed for 1965: Ford type 3.03 3 speed manual.
My time here on FTE will soon be very limited because I now have another non paying job: Volunteering on the USS IOWA!
I'm a USN historian, emphasis on dreadnought battleships, Pearl Harbor Attack. Volunteering on a BB is a dream come true.
There are four Iowa Class BB's, all are now preserved as museum ships:
USS Iowa (BB-61) Port of Los Angeles (San Pedro) / USS New Jersey (BB-62) Camden NJ / USS Missouri (BB-63) Pearl Harbor (Oahu Hawaii) / USS Wisconsin (BB-64) Newport News VA
Plus you also get the part numbers that if required (90% are obsolete), you can search for on PartsVoice.com.
The only A trans code listed for 1965: Ford type 3.03 3 speed manual.
My time here on FTE will soon be very limited because I now have another non paying job: Volunteering on the USS IOWA!
I'm a USN historian, emphasis on dreadnought battleships, Pearl Harbor Attack. Volunteering on a BB is a dream come true.
There are four Iowa Class BB's, all are now preserved as museum ships:
USS Iowa (BB-61) Port of Los Angeles (San Pedro) / USS New Jersey (BB-62) Camden NJ / USS Missouri (BB-63) Pearl Harbor (Oahu Hawaii) / USS Wisconsin (BB-64) Newport News VA
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Here's a photo of the tag. Not the best, but it shows how it's stamped. I guess I'll have to start crawling around under the truck to identify which transmission and axle it has since the codes don't match; I suppose it's possible that they could've been changed in its 46 years.
The Iowa-class ships sure were impressive machines. I get goosebumps whenever I see the photos of the Iowa firing full broadside; the sound and feel must've been out of this world. If I ever make a trip to southern CA, it's on my list of things to see.
The Iowa-class ships sure were impressive machines. I get goosebumps whenever I see the photos of the Iowa firing full broadside; the sound and feel must've been out of this world. If I ever make a trip to southern CA, it's on my list of things to see.
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06-13-2012, 04:44 AM
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06-13-2012, 11:40 AM
Your "gear splitter" is a two speed axle. Some tricks to those. Post 12 here has links to a thread with the Eaton video.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...y-58-f600.html
If you are new to the two speed, very important to view the video.
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06-13-2012, 04:06 PM
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Bill , you must be a sailor. i was Navy 1967-77. in 1984? the Missouri was in Naval Shipyard Long Beach. i worked at the Coast Guard Bast San Pedro[civil service emplyee], as i crossed the Gerald Desmond or Vincent Thomas??? bridge i could see her. My aunt a WWll Navy nurse was a Historian on The Missouri in Hawaii, she gave me a private tour!! i was a Tin Can Sailor and rode ther Gator Navy too. USS San Bernardino LST 1189 and the Paul Revere LPA-248 ....
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Here's a post from another thread:
We had several two speed axles--a couple of '48 Fords, '51 IH, '58 Ford F600. Just so you know I'm not pulling this out of thin air.
You CAN NOT downshift the old two speeds like a regular transmission.
You only downshift under load, or when splitting gears.
Under load:
--Stay on the gas
--Push the button down
--Stab the clutch as fast as you can. (in and out, no waiting)
This takes the load off the axle, which allows it to shift, and brings the revs up to match the new driveshaft speed, and is quick enough the actual driveshaft doesn't lose enough speed to goof up the shift.
To split gears, you push the button down when you get into the higher gear--2nd high to 3rd low, for example.
You can split on the downshift too, just pull up first, before you hit the clutch.
For straight upshifting, NO CLUTCH:
--Steady on the gas
--Pull the button up
--Off the throttle, feel the shift, back on the gas.
Watch this one starting at 8:27, unless you really want more info about the 2 speed:
Eaton 2 Speed Axle Part 01 - YouTube
Part 2 picks right up.
Eaton 2 Speed Axle Part 02 - YouTube
Part 2 continues on with tips etc.
One thing to remember--never shift it at all going down hill.
You CAN NOT downshift the old two speeds like a regular transmission.
You only downshift under load, or when splitting gears.
Under load:
--Stay on the gas
--Push the button down
--Stab the clutch as fast as you can. (in and out, no waiting)
This takes the load off the axle, which allows it to shift, and brings the revs up to match the new driveshaft speed, and is quick enough the actual driveshaft doesn't lose enough speed to goof up the shift.
To split gears, you push the button down when you get into the higher gear--2nd high to 3rd low, for example.
You can split on the downshift too, just pull up first, before you hit the clutch.
For straight upshifting, NO CLUTCH:
--Steady on the gas
--Pull the button up
--Off the throttle, feel the shift, back on the gas.
Watch this one starting at 8:27, unless you really want more info about the 2 speed:
Eaton 2 Speed Axle Part 01 - YouTube
Part 2 picks right up.
Eaton 2 Speed Axle Part 02 - YouTube
Part 2 continues on with tips etc.
One thing to remember--never shift it at all going down hill.
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06-13-2012, 05:27 PM
Bill , you must be a sailor. i was Navy 1967-77. in 1984? the Missouri was in Naval Shipyard Long Beach. i worked at the Coast Guard Bast San Pedro[civil service emplyee], as i crossed the Gerald Desmond or Vincent Thomas??? bridge i could see her. My aunt a WWll Navy nurse was a Historian on The Missouri in Hawaii, she gave me a private tour!! i was a Tin Can Sailor and rode ther Gator Navy too. USS San Bernardino LST 1189 and the Paul Revere LPA-248 ....
occurred during X-ray, medically discharged, full VA benefits. How many kids do I have? None.USCG located on the tip of Terminal Island, Iowa now at berth 87, next to cruise ship terminal, just west of Vincent Thomas Bridge. Merchant ship/museum SS Lane Victory berthed under the bridge. This ship is operational, makes several "cruises" a year...R/T to Catalina Island. "26 miles across the sea, Santa Catalina is awaitin' for me..."
Both my dad and uncle served in the USN during WWII. Uncle: 1942/45, swab jockey/corpsman on USS Tennessee.
Dad: Supply officer USS Black Hawk (AD-9), Asiatic Fleet 1940/42. Shore duty 1943/44 in New Orleans routing supplies thru the Persian Gulf to Tehran, Iran...where lend lease to Russia was also shipped, besides Murmansk. 1945, Supply Officer USS Quincy (CA71), after war ended, decommissioning ships in Bremerton 1946/47.
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06-13-2012, 08:25 PM
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#15
06-13-2012, 11:23 PM
Not sure what went wrong there, but thanks and reps to itslow for fixing it.