Notices
1978 - 1996 Big Bronco  
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Automatic window conversion

 
  #1  
Old 05-06-2003, 07:18 PM
bigric's Avatar
bigric
bigric is offline
Posting Guru
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,507
bigric is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

Has anybody attempted to add the "Auto" feature to automatically roll down the driver side window when the button is pressed? I'm guessing that it's something in the switch. I was thinking that maybe a 2-door Explorer switch could be massaged to fit, but most of the 2-door Explorers that I see are XL or Sport packages with no frills.
 
  #2  
Old 05-06-2003, 11:49 PM
steve83's Avatar
steve83
steve83 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 9,987
steve83 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

I've been thinking about it for a while, but I haven't found the right donor vehicle. Some of the early cars with that feature used a timer to detect how long you held the button down. If you held it for more than a second, it went into auto mode. I think with a little "adjustment" , I can make it work on ALL the windows in BOTH directions.
 
  #3  
Old 05-07-2003, 06:40 AM
bigric's Avatar
bigric
bigric is offline
Posting Guru
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,507
bigric is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

That's my plan--if it's a switch mod, every window will be getting it. There's no reason any American should have to work to make his automatic windows operate. Maybe I'll take the old Explorer apart and look over the weekend.
 
  #4  
Old 05-07-2003, 08:23 AM
kevhard
kevhard is offline
Junior User
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Frederick USA
Posts: 72
kevhard is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

"There's no reason any American should have to work to make his automatic windows operate. "

Very funny Bigric. I think I remember that in the Bill of Rights. Is this a great country, or what?

Manufacturers would never make an auto up, especially for passenger windows, for fear of trapping unsuspecting kids arms...We also have the right to keep and bear arms.
...Groan...
 
  #5  
Old 05-07-2003, 11:31 AM
mrwizard's Avatar
mrwizard
mrwizard is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Vancouver WA
Posts: 2,205
mrwizard is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

Just as long as nobody starts arming the bears we'll be OK.

Sorry.
 
  #6  
Old 05-07-2003, 04:35 PM
JBronco's Avatar
JBronco
JBronco is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Loveland, CO.
Posts: 2,809
JBronco is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

I have seen this before. If I recall, the part you need is easily available from donor Tauruses in boneyards.
 
  #7  
Old 05-07-2003, 05:55 PM
bigric's Avatar
bigric
bigric is offline
Posting Guru
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,507
bigric is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

Thanks JBronco. I started the same thread in the Explorer forum and here's what I got from them:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...hreadid=116968

I'm guessing that the Taurus uses a similar setup that could be adapted. I will have to look into this module now.
 
  #8  
Old 05-07-2003, 06:57 PM
GeoTracker
GeoTracker is offline
Junior User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 96
GeoTracker is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

Audi actually makes an auto up and down system. The thing detects objects, arms, heads, etc. that get in the way and will stop the window from severing s the limb/object.

On my Honda, the switch has two stages. The first stage operates the window normally, the second stage will put it in auto. When I get back home I'll take a look at the service manual and see if I can figure out how the thing works.
 
  #9  
Old 05-07-2003, 10:25 PM
steve83's Avatar
steve83
steve83 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 9,987
steve83 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

My gf's new Accord has auto up & down on the driver's glass, but it's a two-stage switch. The old Taruses had a normal switch with a special module.
 
  #10  
Old 05-08-2003, 11:06 AM
bigric's Avatar
bigric
bigric is offline
Posting Guru
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,507
bigric is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

Thanks to yalls leads, here's what I've come up with:

http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4expressdown.html

Looks easy enough; I just need to find a junkyard with some of these now.
 
  #11  
Old 05-08-2003, 10:00 PM
bigric's Avatar
bigric
bigric is offline
Posting Guru
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,507
bigric is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

I picked up one of the Taurus modules on Ebay today for $15 shipped. I'll let everybody know how it turns out. And I'll photodocument everything, a la Steve, in case anybody else wants to do this.

I've also found a reference to a module that you can hook multiple windows up to for automatic up/down control, but I haven't been able to find pricing. If anybody is interested, I'll re-research it and post model numbers and the sort.

And by the way, the Ford name for the auto-down feature is called "Express Down."
 
  #12  
Old 07-03-2003, 10:30 AM
bigric's Avatar
bigric
bigric is offline
Posting Guru
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 1,507
bigric is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

I'm going to see if Ken will add this as a tech article, but here it is for now. I got all three windows to work

This article describes how to adapt a power window to utilize the “express down” feature. At the end of the article is information specific to ’92-96 full-size trucks and Broncos.


A little information about the module:
To the best of my knowledge and experience in the junkyard, these modules were only used in generation 2 Taurus/Sable vehicles. They can be found inside the driver doorskin, mounted underneath the armrest support. The Ford part number for the module is: F2DB-14B118-AB. I have heard that the dealer price for these modules is around $50, but if you grab a handful of them and tell the junkyard guy that they’re just window relays, you’ll get better treatment. If you’re cutting it out of a junkyard car, of course you want to get as much of the harness wiring as possible.


And now for the installation information:
There are five wires coming off of the express down module. They are as follows:
1 – Motor side of down wire (red)
2 – Switch side of down wire (white/black)
3 - +12V (blue/black)
4 – Up wire (yellow)
5 – Ground (black)
If you remove the module from the harness, you will be able to see the numbers stamped into the plastic.

For the switch to which you want to connect the module, use a meter or test light to identify:
- keyed +12V wire
- ground wire
- the wire that goes to +12V when you press “up”
- the wire that goes to +12V when you press “down”

Here are the connections that must now be made:
Use an inline spice to connect module #3 to the keyed +12V source.
Use an inline splice to connect module #4 to the “up” wire
Use an inline splice to connect module #5 to the ground
Cut the “down” wire, leaving yourself enough room to butt splice each end. Connect module #1 to the electric motor side of this wire. Connect module #2 to the switch side of this wire.

At this point, all of the electrical connections have been made. All that is left to you is to reassemble everything and fasten the module so that it doesn’t rattle.


’92-96 specific information:
Since I performed this modification to a ’92 Bronco, I can provide the wire colors for ’92-96 trucks.

Driver door panel, driver window switch:
Down: gray/black
Up: yellow
Keyed +12V: blue/black

Passenger door panel, passenger window switch:
Down: pink/yellow
Up: yellow/red
Keyed +12V: blue/black
Ground: pink/green

Dash rear window switch:
Down: purple/blue
Up: purple/green
Keyed +12V: blue/black
Ground: black

A few more things to note about trucks of these years:
The door “pockets” underneath each front switch will perfectly accommodate the control module without any extra attachment; just stuff the module underneath the switch and it won’t rattle. Likewise with the dash switch; it will go right behind the wires coming off of the headlight switch and stay put.

If you put a module on the passenger door passenger window switch, then either the driver or passenger door passenger switch will operate the passenger window with the express down feature.

On the Bronco, I hooked the rear window module #3 to an always-on +12V source, but this did not allow the switch in the tailgate to activate the express-down feature. At this time, all of my wiring diagrams are packed away somewhere, so I’m not sure if these two switches are indeed on different circuits. I’m open to suggestions on this one.


This article was adapted from SHOtimes. The original article may be viewed at http://www.shotimes.com/SHO4expressdown.html.
 

Last edited by bigric; 07-03-2003 at 10:32 AM.
  #13  
Old 07-03-2003, 11:12 AM
steve83's Avatar
steve83
steve83 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 9,987
steve83 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

For the rear window to access the express down from the t/g key switch, you'd have to power the module from circuit breaker 12 (power locks) in the dash fuse block, or hook it up inside the tailgate to the Bk/Wh wire off that CB. I'm not sure if the dash switch would still be able to activate the express that way, though. I think it would, but I haven't checked out the circuit enough to know.
 

Last edited by steve83; 07-03-2003 at 11:22 AM.
  #14  
Old 07-03-2003, 11:15 AM
JBronco's Avatar
JBronco
JBronco is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Loveland, CO.
Posts: 2,809
JBronco is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

Thanks for the tech tip. It looks very useful. If I ever get VERY motivated I might do this! Two questions. 1) Are you saying that it works on the rear window or not? and 2) Do you or anybody know if the wire colors or anything might be different on my 1990? Thanks
 
  #15  
Old 07-03-2003, 11:21 AM
steve83's Avatar
steve83
steve83 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 9,987
steve83 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Automatic window conversion

The wire colors should be the same, but the Haynes manual will show them anyway. He said it DOES work on the rear window, but only from the dash switch right now.
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Automatic window conversion


Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.