2v vs. 4v carb
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According to this scanned 74 brochure, the 390 4V was "optional F250/350 2wd", while the 390 2V was listed as "optional F100 2wd".
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And, who knows what the dealer installed for the buyer.
While it is not anywhere near the same thing, I would have thought my 2001 F250 came with regular hose clamps on the radiator hoses from the factory. Without an OASIS report that says the dealer replaced the broken stock clamps (that were known to break), under warranty, I would never have thought differently.
With other trucks, someone test-drove it, the engine started knocking, and the dealer threw whatever they had laying around in it and charged Ford.
Or a whole bunch of other reasons something "ain't stock".
While it is not anywhere near the same thing, I would have thought my 2001 F250 came with regular hose clamps on the radiator hoses from the factory. Without an OASIS report that says the dealer replaced the broken stock clamps (that were known to break), under warranty, I would never have thought differently.
With other trucks, someone test-drove it, the engine started knocking, and the dealer threw whatever they had laying around in it and charged Ford.
Or a whole bunch of other reasons something "ain't stock".
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I missed this part before.
Did you purchase this truck new? I have heard of others claiming the same, but have never found anyone that could *prove* the 410 4V was actually factory installed. I would love to believe these were factory installed, but I truely suspect most were salvage yard purchases swapped early in the truck's life.
Ford sales literature showed the 390 2V was the largest engine offered for a F100 until 75. The 460 4V could be had as early as 73, but only in F250/350.
I don't recall if the 390 4V was offered prior to 75 in the F250/350, but doesn't show as an option for F100's thru 74 (F150 didn't exist until 75).
Did you purchase this truck new? I have heard of others claiming the same, but have never found anyone that could *prove* the 410 4V was actually factory installed. I would love to believe these were factory installed, but I truely suspect most were salvage yard purchases swapped early in the truck's life.
Ford sales literature showed the 390 2V was the largest engine offered for a F100 until 75. The 460 4V could be had as early as 73, but only in F250/350.
I don't recall if the 390 4V was offered prior to 75 in the F250/350, but doesn't show as an option for F100's thru 74 (F150 didn't exist until 75).
410s were only installed in Mercurys and only for 2 years.
After market or after purchase, the gates are wide open as to what could have been installed.
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Yeah, I know that's the "official" story from Ford. Yet, I've heard of a few people who swear they had a 410 "factory" truck, but none have been able to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" (sound familiar?) by showing proof they bought the vehicle new, and that it was indeed a 410. I met one guy who claimed his granpa's truck had a 410, and showed me the "410" on the pistons. Crank was a 390 part, but he wouldn't believe anyone, and stuck to his story.....
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I missed this part before.
Did you purchase this truck new? I have heard of others claiming the same, but have never found anyone that could *prove* the 410 4V was actually factory installed. I would love to believe these were factory installed, but I truely suspect most were salvage yard purchases swapped early in the truck's life.
Ford sales literature showed the 390 2V was the largest engine offered for a F100 until 75. The 460 4V could be had as early as 73, but only in F250/350.
I don't recall if the 390 4V was offered prior to 75 in the F250/350, but doesn't show as an option for F100's thru 74 (F150 didn't exist until 75).
Did you purchase this truck new? I have heard of others claiming the same, but have never found anyone that could *prove* the 410 4V was actually factory installed. I would love to believe these were factory installed, but I truely suspect most were salvage yard purchases swapped early in the truck's life.
Ford sales literature showed the 390 2V was the largest engine offered for a F100 until 75. The 460 4V could be had as early as 73, but only in F250/350.
I don't recall if the 390 4V was offered prior to 75 in the F250/350, but doesn't show as an option for F100's thru 74 (F150 didn't exist until 75).
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See, the only thing you're forgeting is, the 428 was in production(industrial motors) well into the early 70's, and as they used the same crank, it's not at all impossible to think that more than a few 428 cranks found their way into 390 blocks, especially when it used the same pistons as the 410, if for no other reason than to use up parts. I've been around Fords long enough to know how to spot an "unoriginal" engine in a vehicle. The 410 I found was indeed original to that truck. It's also easy to learn to spot the tell-tales when it comes to parts having been replaced on an engine. That truck is long gone, and I didn't have reason to document the engine in the truck at the time, so all you have is my word, take it as you will. I've never been one to go around making wild exagerations, if I was then I'd swear to it having a something like a Cammer in it rather than a lowly 410.
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While I'm aware that Ford used the 410 pistons to lower the comp ratio on 390's for trucks, this truck had the original engine in it when I bought it used in the early 80's. I drove it a year or so then it blew the rear main seal and soaked the clutch, so I pulled the engine to replace it with the GT390 from my 67 Stang. I clearly remember I was going to use the truck's flywheel on the GT390, because it (the GT motor)used the bigger clutch disc, then found the counterweight on the 410's flywheel, so I ended up using the GT390 wheel and clutch set. This wasn't the only time I discovered a different displacement FE, the other was a 410 pulled from a Merc, again, clearly the original motor. Six months after bringin it home I pulled it apart only to find a 428 instead. I've run across quite a few anomolys in taking Fords apart, enough to know to "never say never" when it comes to what they put into any vehicle at the factory.
However, without taking delivery directly from the dealer, there's no way to really know what was done in the 10+ years this vehicle was in someone else's possession.
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Very true!
At least the main question was addressed *before* the topic went a hair off course, and there's no agruing or hurtful undertones in the discussion. These *are* a rarity in the FE forum.......
At least the main question was addressed *before* the topic went a hair off course, and there's no agruing or hurtful undertones in the discussion. These *are* a rarity in the FE forum.......
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There is when you know how to spot non stock parts on an engine, now just talking about waterpumps and such, but the small things like hose clamps and bolts and gaskets, or things being out of place. I know there will always be doubters to such things, I know what I've encountered, and that's all that matters to me.
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