Build up!!!cv ifs 8.8 rear
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Thickness has nothing to do with it, The formed boxed section provides the strength along with forged fitments inside the rails.
Wonder what is inside the CV rail? Apparently you have zero clue. Pics by rusty 63.
You keep insisting on spreading the fallacy that this suspension swap is safe and easy.
Garbz
Wonder what is inside the CV rail? Apparently you have zero clue. Pics by rusty 63.
You keep insisting on spreading the fallacy that this suspension swap is safe and easy.
Garbz
Yes I have no clue whatsoever since I cut the chassis apart on the CV that donated my IFS. My guess is you cried it won't work when people used Corvair swaps, MII swaps, the original Dakota swaps (the only 1 you seem to think is a reasonable choice), Aerostar swaps, Volare swaps & every clip job out there.
Dents, bumps, slicks, fridges & the '53-'56 body trucks are all using it now. How many have you seen say it has failed? How many broken crossmembers? I haven't even read a thread yet about a truck that has been wrecked with 1 in it regardless of fault.
My truck is doing just fine along with many others that have big block engines. The only person crying it won't work is you with no evidence whatsoever.
Did a little homework. Found posts by you chastising a guy for asking for dimensions where you told him to get on his back & get them himself YET I also found multiple threads by you asking for dimensions. How stupid he was for asking for anonymous input on critical matters such as suspension dimensions. I guess you are not stupid for doing the same thing. I also found a single build thread by you. Stuck on straight axles aren't you? No problem if one wants the nostalgic look. Also noticed some outrageous blocks on the rear axle. You might do some homework on blocks and the affects they have on springs. Taller the springs the more the affect. They have a new invention. It is called a spring shop. They can do amazing things. I have even heard a rumor they can build a set of dearched springs!
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Well i guess you may wish to read this thread.
Slick 60's • View topic - Rusty 63 F100 + 04 CV PI
Jack,
I am not condemning your build, I want to stress that you personally have to do due diligence in learning just how this type of suspension was installed in a 03 up CV. Until the basics of the unit are understood no amount of advice from obvious back yard amateurs will suffice. You have to survive behind the wheel along with Innocent others on the highway.
This is why i stress the reinforcing necessary as there is way to much yea this works and yea that works. I would use one my self if it was just not so wide with prudent reinforcement.
I am not sure the truck in the link was ever finished.
Garbz
Slick 60's • View topic - Rusty 63 F100 + 04 CV PI
Jack,
I am not condemning your build, I want to stress that you personally have to do due diligence in learning just how this type of suspension was installed in a 03 up CV. Until the basics of the unit are understood no amount of advice from obvious back yard amateurs will suffice. You have to survive behind the wheel along with Innocent others on the highway.
This is why i stress the reinforcing necessary as there is way to much yea this works and yea that works. I would use one my self if it was just not so wide with prudent reinforcement.
I am not sure the truck in the link was ever finished.
Garbz
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elgemcdlf;This is an early CV. Even at that the piece you show is only for attaching the rear mount to. Same as nuts on the ends of bolts. Nothing more than sandwiching the rail between this piece and the mounts. The later CVs have welded nuts on a different bracket welded to the bottom of the CV frame. You will also not I have always recommended boxing the chassis. There are simply way too many trucks with this swap that are doing just fine. I have yet to read a single source stating it has failed.
It is an 2004 Chassis.
Boxing may not be sufficient or up to the home builders skill level.
Yes I have no clue whatsoever since I cut the chassis apart on the CV that donated my IFS. My guess is you cried it won't work when people used Corvair swaps, MII swaps, the original Dakota swaps (the only 1 you seem to think is a reasonable choice), Aerostar swaps, Volare swaps & every clip job out there.
I tend to trust 1/2 ton truck parts. Slight bias.
Dents, bumps, slicks, fridges & the '53-'56 body trucks are all using it now. How many have you seen say it has failed? How many broken crossmembers? I haven't even read a thread yet about a truck that has been wrecked with 1 in it regardless of fault.
There are very few with any substantial miles on them. Provide Links and convince me. I learn something new every day.
My truck is doing just fine along with many others that have big block engines. The only person crying it won't work is you with no evidence whatsoever.
Mileage and proof.
Did a little homework. Found posts by you chastising a guy for asking for dimensions where you told him to get on his back & get them himself YET I also found multiple threads by you asking for dimensions. How stupid he was for asking for anonymous input on critical matters such as suspension dimensions. I guess you are not stupid for doing the same thing. I also found a single build thread by you. Stuck on straight axles aren't you? No problem if one wants the nostalgic look. Also noticed some outrageous blocks on the rear axle. You might do some homework on blocks and the affects they have on springs. Taller the springs the more the affect. They have a new invention. It is called a spring shop. They can do amazing things. I have even heard a rumor they can build a set of dearched springs!
YOU SHOULD SEE THE NEW STRAIGHT AXLE I HAD MADE!. It is total FRACKIN bad *** monkey spanking straight axle love!
My 69 Crew has been doing fine with 6" factory lift blocks since ford built it.
The 4" Lowering blocks on the 64 rat rod is for adjustment once the truck is finished to set final ride height, IE they get shorter to level the truck once all weight including the driver is on board. You may want to read the entire thread as this is a back in the day use. The Owner set the parameters of the build.
I guess you missed the de-arched and reversed eye springs and the dropped front axle in your zeal? The truck is a theme build with the use of parts and methods available to a backyard builder that would have been avalible in 64 for a build. yes reverse eye and de arch is old school... Aeric would have been really pissed if i put an IFS in it. (well the dual master and prop were a compromise i insisted on, However it is a corvette looking type and would have been used back then.)
Here is a picture just in case to save you apoplexy looking for it.
And lookie just how low a straight axle can go. Lets see your CV get this low without bags.
And here is how low a IFS can go. Lets see your CV get this low with out bags. Oh yea i can go another 2 inches with drop spindles that are amazingly produced for Dakotas. Find some dropped spindles for a CV other than ones custom fabricated and one off.
Another build of mine. And that pesky crew cab with 6 inch rear lift blocks.
Did you ever find a source for spindles?
Drop Spindles '03-'07 Crown Vic?
Does anyone know of drop spindles for the '03-'07 CV IFS? I have this suspension in my truck with 1 1/2" drop springs (Eaton Springs). Looking to try and get another couple inches without messing up the geometry.
BTW i really like the jack stands. I have actually done that but with 4x4 cribbing......Copyright elgemcdlf used without permission.
I have had enough fun with you, and i apologize in advance.
Garbz
It is an 2004 Chassis.
Boxing may not be sufficient or up to the home builders skill level.
Yes I have no clue whatsoever since I cut the chassis apart on the CV that donated my IFS. My guess is you cried it won't work when people used Corvair swaps, MII swaps, the original Dakota swaps (the only 1 you seem to think is a reasonable choice), Aerostar swaps, Volare swaps & every clip job out there.
I tend to trust 1/2 ton truck parts. Slight bias.
Dents, bumps, slicks, fridges & the '53-'56 body trucks are all using it now. How many have you seen say it has failed? How many broken crossmembers? I haven't even read a thread yet about a truck that has been wrecked with 1 in it regardless of fault.
There are very few with any substantial miles on them. Provide Links and convince me. I learn something new every day.
My truck is doing just fine along with many others that have big block engines. The only person crying it won't work is you with no evidence whatsoever.
Mileage and proof.
Did a little homework. Found posts by you chastising a guy for asking for dimensions where you told him to get on his back & get them himself YET I also found multiple threads by you asking for dimensions. How stupid he was for asking for anonymous input on critical matters such as suspension dimensions. I guess you are not stupid for doing the same thing. I also found a single build thread by you. Stuck on straight axles aren't you? No problem if one wants the nostalgic look. Also noticed some outrageous blocks on the rear axle. You might do some homework on blocks and the affects they have on springs. Taller the springs the more the affect. They have a new invention. It is called a spring shop. They can do amazing things. I have even heard a rumor they can build a set of dearched springs!
YOU SHOULD SEE THE NEW STRAIGHT AXLE I HAD MADE!. It is total FRACKIN bad *** monkey spanking straight axle love!
My 69 Crew has been doing fine with 6" factory lift blocks since ford built it.
The 4" Lowering blocks on the 64 rat rod is for adjustment once the truck is finished to set final ride height, IE they get shorter to level the truck once all weight including the driver is on board. You may want to read the entire thread as this is a back in the day use. The Owner set the parameters of the build.
I guess you missed the de-arched and reversed eye springs and the dropped front axle in your zeal? The truck is a theme build with the use of parts and methods available to a backyard builder that would have been avalible in 64 for a build. yes reverse eye and de arch is old school... Aeric would have been really pissed if i put an IFS in it. (well the dual master and prop were a compromise i insisted on, However it is a corvette looking type and would have been used back then.)
Here is a picture just in case to save you apoplexy looking for it.
And lookie just how low a straight axle can go. Lets see your CV get this low without bags.
And here is how low a IFS can go. Lets see your CV get this low with out bags. Oh yea i can go another 2 inches with drop spindles that are amazingly produced for Dakotas. Find some dropped spindles for a CV other than ones custom fabricated and one off.
Another build of mine. And that pesky crew cab with 6 inch rear lift blocks.
Did you ever find a source for spindles?
Drop Spindles '03-'07 Crown Vic?
Does anyone know of drop spindles for the '03-'07 CV IFS? I have this suspension in my truck with 1 1/2" drop springs (Eaton Springs). Looking to try and get another couple inches without messing up the geometry.
BTW i really like the jack stands. I have actually done that but with 4x4 cribbing......Copyright elgemcdlf used without permission.
I have had enough fun with you, and i apologize in advance.
Garbz
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Actually most will tell you i am pretty easy going and would give the shirt off my back to help others. I have made the mistakes and threw away complete frames on advice of others that it will work. I have also worked as a professional suspension and frame fabricator and if i can help one person avoid this?
Others will tell you i am really a p#ick.
We have been sparring across multiple threads and i grow bored of it as i have better use of my time than penning multiple paragraph novels complete with 8x10 glossy photos. I am at the point of, Oh well not my skin in the game and I will post no more fun jabs as fragile EGO's may be harmed.
I cede the debate point to the opponent and he can assume the liabilities.
I am wrong and he is right, See the good side is leaking out past the edges.
Garbz
Others will tell you i am really a p#ick.
We have been sparring across multiple threads and i grow bored of it as i have better use of my time than penning multiple paragraph novels complete with 8x10 glossy photos. I am at the point of, Oh well not my skin in the game and I will post no more fun jabs as fragile EGO's may be harmed.
I cede the debate point to the opponent and he can assume the liabilities.
I am wrong and he is right, See the good side is leaking out past the edges.
Garbz
you know what fckit I'm out
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And lookie just how low a straight axle can go. Lets see your CV get this low without bags.
And here is how low a IFS can go. Lets see your CV get this low with out bags. Oh yea i can go another 2 inches with drop spindles that are amazingly produced for Dakotas. Find some dropped spindles for a CV other than ones custom fabricated and one off.
Garbz
And here is how low a IFS can go. Lets see your CV get this low with out bags. Oh yea i can go another 2 inches with drop spindles that are amazingly produced for Dakotas. Find some dropped spindles for a CV other than ones custom fabricated and one off.
Garbz
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Clipping refers to cutting the rails in front of the cab mounts and adding a suspension "clip" from say a camaro or LTD. Neither trucks depicted are clipped.
They are Z,d, a common modification when lowering. You need to learn the lingo.
An issue with a z notch and CV or any other suspension is it will also raise the engine a corresponding amount. This needs to be considered in to the entire build as there may need to be additional modifications made to the aft frame components and cab.
Garbz
They are Z,d, a common modification when lowering. You need to learn the lingo.
An issue with a z notch and CV or any other suspension is it will also raise the engine a corresponding amount. This needs to be considered in to the entire build as there may need to be additional modifications made to the aft frame components and cab.
Garbz
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Clipping refers to cutting the rails in front of the cab mounts and adding a suspension "clip" from say a camaro or LTD. Neither trucks depicted are clipped.
They are Z,d, a common modification when lowering. You need to learn the lingo.
An issue with a z notch and CV or any other suspension is it will also raise the engine a corresponding amount. This needs to be considered in to the entire build as there may need to be additional modifications made to the aft frame components and cab.
Garbz
They are Z,d, a common modification when lowering. You need to learn the lingo.
An issue with a z notch and CV or any other suspension is it will also raise the engine a corresponding amount. This needs to be considered in to the entire build as there may need to be additional modifications made to the aft frame components and cab.
Garbz