Limited slip or electronic locking???
#31
Theoretically, my answer would be LSD, but as Ford8502 said, you won't have much of a choice with that configuration, e-lock is the only thing offered unless you opt for HD payload which seems very expensive and the ride is not quite as "car like" if you don't need it.
#32
In a truck with 4WD and:
- open diffs: 2 wheels will drive worst case
- locking rear: 3 wheels will drive worst case
In a truck with 2WD and open diff, you'll have only one wheel driving in the worst case.
A 2WD truck with a locker is similar to a 4WD with open diffs in that two wheels will be trying to push forward in the worst case, just with the 2WD locker, it's two wheels on one axle, with the 4WD open diff it's two wheels on different axles. Depending on the terrain or specific circumstances, one could be better than the other, even the 2WD with locker *could* be better off than the 4WD with open diffs.
The ideal case would be a LS diff in the rear with a locking option, and then a locker in the front. On top of that, I'd have 2LO on my wishlist. Now everything would be covered.
- open diffs: 2 wheels will drive worst case
- locking rear: 3 wheels will drive worst case
In a truck with 2WD and open diff, you'll have only one wheel driving in the worst case.
A 2WD truck with a locker is similar to a 4WD with open diffs in that two wheels will be trying to push forward in the worst case, just with the 2WD locker, it's two wheels on one axle, with the 4WD open diff it's two wheels on different axles. Depending on the terrain or specific circumstances, one could be better than the other, even the 2WD with locker *could* be better off than the 4WD with open diffs.
The ideal case would be a LS diff in the rear with a locking option, and then a locker in the front. On top of that, I'd have 2LO on my wishlist. Now everything would be covered.
#33
Just saying, my wife is pretty car savvy and has driven everything from agricultural/ farm equipment to rescue's & fire engines for the Fire dept as well as lifted trucks and claims to be able to "out-wheel" me Off-Road Lol but if I sat her down and tried to explain the difference between a Limited-Slip, an E-Locker, G80, clutch-packed LSD .Vs viscous, Open-diff etc.. all I'm going to get from her is a combination of a lot of snow and deer sittin in front of headlamps.
My point is she will be fine with what ever you end up with so good luck.
#34
Because seriously and I'm not trying to be "that guy" but for the real world and safety reasons, especially when driving in rain and what not a simple open rear differential is the "Safest" for 95% of drivers where the vehicle is just an appliance. As with an open differential the vehicle is least likely to fishtail when a wheel slips due to lift off-oversteer.
I do not see how fishtailing adds to safety when a LSD could possibly have retained traction in the same scenario. Can you explain?
#35
Open can be better in some instances. But with a LSD and non aggressive driving, I agree you stay out of more problems.
#36
With an open rear end, if one wheel loses traction the other wheel is planted and stabilizes the rear of the truck. With a LSD, both wheels can spin and allow the rear of the truck to slide sideways or into a ditch.
Open can be better in some instances. But with a LSD and non aggressive driving, I agree you stay out of more problems.
Open can be better in some instances. But with a LSD and non aggressive driving, I agree you stay out of more problems.
#37
This is probably why a lot of exotic & high-end cars bought by un-skilled drivers end up in ditches before they even get their registration in the mail.
With an open differential you can almost hold your foot to the floor on slick pavement and the vehicle will still track around a corner, abeit not mover very quickly and seriously spinning it's inside wheel through the turn. With LSD you get snap over-steer and if you don't know what your doing you would have swapped ends.
Personally I would not want to be out on the road with my family if every single car/ truck on the road was equipped with an LSD, it is deffinately a tool for a skilled motorist.
#38
So I was talking to someone with the chat feature on the Ford website and they said that with the e-lock you need to activate it to get both wheels to spin otherwise one wheel will spin (like Nasty stated) with the LS the traction control basically applies more power to the non slipping wheel and acts like a posi like in the video I posted. The problem I see is that in order to get the 3.73 LS with the 4x4 Lariat you have to take the Max payload and the max tow together...which sucks because I really do NOT want the damn 17" 7 lug rims...they are ugly!
They also stated in 4 wheel low all four tires will spin with power distributed to all 4 wheels.
They also stated in 4 wheel low all four tires will spin with power distributed to all 4 wheels.
#39
So I was talking to someone with the chat feature on the Ford website and they said that with the e-lock you need to activate it to get both wheels to spin otherwise one wheel will spin (like Nasty stated) with the LS the traction control basically applies more power to the non slipping wheel and acts like a posi like in the video I posted. The problem I see is that in order to get the 3.73 LS with the 4x4 Lariat you have to take the Max payload and the max tow together...which sucks because I really do NOT want the damn 17" 7 lug rims...they are ugly!
They also stated in 4 wheel low all four tires will spin with power distributed to all 4 wheels.
They also stated in 4 wheel low all four tires will spin with power distributed to all 4 wheels.
have you looked into the Detroit TrueTrac?
not sure what the upcharge is for the MaxPayload/MaxTow package is, but you could probably have a TrueTrac installed in the $1000 range or a little less...... Methinks the TrueTrac is far better than ford's Limited Slip.
Works the same way as the Torsen, which is available on the Raptor in the front, and the rangers in the rear .... high quailty and effective.
just a thought.
#40
Ford has done a lot with their packaging market theory to alienate a lot of customers like me. I'm still ticked at their marketing strategies. The the only reason they put ugly cloth seats in the XLT's is so you'll order the upscale and overpriced Lariat and above. And are power windows really needed when the aero package makes the cab too noisy with a window rolled down at speed? I could go on and on. Bottom line is that other than not having the six speed transmission my 06 5.4L XLT with L/S differential does quite well. It doesn't get quite as good of fuel economy as the new trucks get, but the difference in the cost of a new truck and my 06 will buy a lot of gas. I prefer the L/S without being required to get the Max-Payload Package on all models. But Ford isn't listening to their customers and their customers aren't talking with their wallets. If we don't buy, Ford will listen.
#41
there ARE those of us that would not want leather, even as a zero cost option. As to the lariat, even if i wanted all the other doo-dads, i would still not buy one because cloth is not an option.
i'm more mad that the XLT's don't give you a credit for removing the carpet, but they will up charge you if you add it to the XL or STX. Sure, i can order it with vinyal, but it is the same cost as carpet.
I do agree that leather should be an option at the XLT trim level, at an up charge, for those who want it. But honestly some people actually like cloth.
What would be buy? no one else makes a truck.
#42
Ford has done a lot with their packaging market theory to alienate a lot of customers like me. I'm still ticked at their marketing strategies. The the only reason they put ugly cloth seats in the XLT's is so you'll order the upscale and overpriced Lariat and above. And are power windows really needed when the aero package makes the cab too noisy with a window rolled down at speed? I could go on and on. Bottom line is that other than not having the six speed transmission my 06 5.4L XLT with L/S differential does quite well. It doesn't get quite as good of fuel economy as the new trucks get, but the difference in the cost of a new truck and my 06 will buy a lot of gas. I prefer the L/S without being required to get the Max-Payload Package on all models. But Ford isn't listening to their customers and their customers aren't talking with their wallets. If we don't buy, Ford will listen.
If the F-150 can't or won't meet ones needs, the F-250 dang sure will.
But I will agree with sir, the lack of LSD as a mainstream option kind of ticks me off too.