330 swap????
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330 swap????
I'm looking at buyin a 70 f600 It will be basically a toy but I do plan on towing our open car trailer and on occasion our 48 ft enclosed race at trailer with our nostalgia funny car. It has a 330 in it now and I was just curious if I could swap in a 460 for more power and availability in parts. Is this possible ? Are they the same block or no?
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The 330 is part of the FE/FT family of engines. It is the small bore motor, related to the 352/360/390/410/427/428 car engines, and the similar but differently designated 361/391 FT truck engines. 330s came in medium duty and heavy duty models, the main difference being a cast vs. steel crank.
It is not the same as a 460. They are a different engine series, the bell patterns are different and nothing will interchange outside of maybe plug wires and the oil filter.
That '70 F600 with a 330 would be good for about 60 mph. And that would be good because the brakes are good for about 60 also.
IMO, this would be a big project. Engine & trans to start. What is the condition of the brakes? You ever work on a medium in the brake department? Tires? This truck probably has split ring wheels with tube type tires.
I would look long and hard at a project like that. You are looking at a punishing ride empty also, fwiw....
The 330 is part of the FE/FT family of engines. It is the small bore motor, related to the 352/360/390/410/427/428 car engines, and the similar but differently designated 361/391 FT truck engines. 330s came in medium duty and heavy duty models, the main difference being a cast vs. steel crank.
It is not the same as a 460. They are a different engine series, the bell patterns are different and nothing will interchange outside of maybe plug wires and the oil filter.
That '70 F600 with a 330 would be good for about 60 mph. And that would be good because the brakes are good for about 60 also.
IMO, this would be a big project. Engine & trans to start. What is the condition of the brakes? You ever work on a medium in the brake department? Tires? This truck probably has split ring wheels with tube type tires.
I would look long and hard at a project like that. You are looking at a punishing ride empty also, fwiw....
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There are two different 330 FT engines: 330 2V Medium Duty / 330 2V Heavy Duty / Most of the parts do not interchange!
The 4th digit of the VIN is the engine code. 1966/78:
C = 330 2V M/D / D = 330 2V H/D / E = 361 2V / F = 391 4V
The 4th digit of the VIN is the engine code. 1966/78:
C = 330 2V M/D / D = 330 2V H/D / E = 361 2V / F = 391 4V
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"Hey guys. I'm lookin at buyin a "1970" f600. I've been trying to decode the vin but haven't had much luck. Here is the vin. F60CCG72478. I've noticed the the horsepower rating on the door tag and on a few posts say 164 horsepower, but on the air cleaner it says 190 horsepower. Any clues? If there are any other numbers you need off the door tag please let me know and I'll give you what I have. Thanks."
Looks like that would be the MD motor, if original.
As for the HP, the aircleaner could have been replaced. 330s are pleasant, smooth little motors, is the is the case with most engines where nothing major is going on inside. Since it is a "Medium Duty" in a medium truck, it will handle medium loads, and will be best at it for short hauls without major changes in elevation.
"Hey guys. I'm lookin at buyin a "1970" f600. I've been trying to decode the vin but haven't had much luck. Here is the vin. F60CCG72478. I've noticed the the horsepower rating on the door tag and on a few posts say 164 horsepower, but on the air cleaner it says 190 horsepower. Any clues? If there are any other numbers you need off the door tag please let me know and I'll give you what I have. Thanks."
Looks like that would be the MD motor, if original.
As for the HP, the aircleaner could have been replaced. 330s are pleasant, smooth little motors, is the is the case with most engines where nothing major is going on inside. Since it is a "Medium Duty" in a medium truck, it will handle medium loads, and will be best at it for short hauls without major changes in elevation.
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Originally Posted by Howsahemi
I've been trying to decode the vin, but haven't had much luck. F60CCG72478
F60 = F600 (gas).
C = 330 2V Medium Duty FT engine.
C = Oakville, Ontario Canada Truck Assembly Plant.
G72478 = 1970.
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The swap to a 460 IS possible. My brother somewhat easily put a heavy-duty 429 in his '68 F600.
What you need to do is find a medium F-series with a 429 in it and get some parts. Bellhousing, and associated mounts, as the bellhousing supports the engine, at least partly. Not sure about the timing cover mounts for a 429, it's something you'll have to look into yourself.
But yes, 429s could be put in (and bought in) F600s, so the swap to a 460 IS doable.
An easier thing might be, if the truck has a 330 MD in it now, is to use the timing cover and some other parts and upgrade to an FE 390. More breathing, more horsepower, more torque, more options for performance.
That 330 though, while comparatively gutless, will live a long time. Good luck, and definitely report back what you choose to do with it
What you need to do is find a medium F-series with a 429 in it and get some parts. Bellhousing, and associated mounts, as the bellhousing supports the engine, at least partly. Not sure about the timing cover mounts for a 429, it's something you'll have to look into yourself.
But yes, 429s could be put in (and bought in) F600s, so the swap to a 460 IS doable.
An easier thing might be, if the truck has a 330 MD in it now, is to use the timing cover and some other parts and upgrade to an FE 390. More breathing, more horsepower, more torque, more options for performance.
That 330 though, while comparatively gutless, will live a long time. Good luck, and definitely report back what you choose to do with it
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The 190 hp motor is probably a 361. Same stroke but 4.05" bore, so there is no easy way to tell without pulling a cylinder head.
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Looking down at the crank spacer behind the crank dampener, the 330MD will have a narrower diameter spacer same as an FE, the 330HD and the rest of the FT engines will have the larger diameter spacer.
I no longer have any FE parts around, or I'd be able to measure a spacer. If you pop down to the FE/FT forum and ask, some kind soul will measure one for you
I no longer have any FE parts around, or I'd be able to measure a spacer. If you pop down to the FE/FT forum and ask, some kind soul will measure one for you
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The 330 M/D uses a different harmonic balancer than a 330 H/D/361/391. Harmonic balancers have ID engineering numbers stamped on them.
If the balancer is stamped: C4TE-6316-H or C4TE-6316-J .. it's a 330 M/D.
According to the 1964/72 & 1973/79 truck parts catalogs, the crank spacer (B8AZ-6359-A) is the same for all 1965/76 FE engines, all 1964/65 FT engines.
FT engines do not use the spacer after 1965.
B8AZ-6359-A .. Crankshaft Damper Spacer / 1 7/8" O.D. / 1 3/8" I.D. / 3.336" long.
If the balancer is stamped: C4TE-6316-H or C4TE-6316-J .. it's a 330 M/D.
According to the 1964/72 & 1973/79 truck parts catalogs, the crank spacer (B8AZ-6359-A) is the same for all 1965/76 FE engines, all 1964/65 FT engines.
FT engines do not use the spacer after 1965.
B8AZ-6359-A .. Crankshaft Damper Spacer / 1 7/8" O.D. / 1 3/8" I.D. / 3.336" long.
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The crank snout on the FT is a larger diameter, there's no way that spacer is the same between FE and FT unless at that point, they were using cranks with the FE-size snout.
And, unless we're talking about two different things, either the later FTs had the spacer, or it was built into the dampener. And it'd still be a larger diameter than the 330MD's.
And, unless we're talking about two different things, either the later FTs had the spacer, or it was built into the dampener. And it'd still be a larger diameter than the 330MD's.
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The crank snout on the FT is a larger diameter, there's no way that spacer is the same between FE and FT unless at that point, they were using cranks with the FE-size snout.
And, unless we're talking about two different things, either the later FTs had the spacer, or it was built into the dampener. And it'd still be a larger diameter than the 330MD's.
And, unless we're talking about two different things, either the later FTs had the spacer, or it was built into the dampener. And it'd still be a larger diameter than the 330MD's.
FT engines: Text, Section 60.6, Page 11 = B8AZ-6359-A .. Crankshaft Damper Spacer = 1964/65 330 M/D/330 H/D/361/391. There is no spacer listed for 1966/72.
FE engines: Text, Section 60.7, Page 9 = B8AZ-6359-A .. Crankshaft Damper Spacer = 1965/72.
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1973/79 Ford Heavy Truck Parts Catalog:
FT engines: Text Section 60.2, Page 10 = These is no spacer listed.
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1973/79 Ford Light Truck Parts Catalog:
FE engines: Text Section 60.6, Page 8 = B8AZ-6359-A .. Crankshaft Damper Spacer = 1973/76.
The positive way to ID a 330 M/D from a 330 H/D/361/391 is from the ID number stamped on the balancer.
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Stroke is somewhat easy, the dowel/wire method is written about in the FE forum here at FTE.
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Have to say thanks for the info, I just happened across it. I now know I have a 330 HD, 4th vin of D, unless the motor has been changed. I have my doubts it has. Of course, the seller claimed it to be a 391, what a surprise. Doesn't matter too much to me, as it is just a local grain hauler anyway. I picked it up and drove it home for $600.