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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 07:37 AM
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Transmission? TC? Problem

The other day I started my truck and when I put it in gear it just made a clicking noise and would not go. I can put it in 4hi or lo and it goes fine. Will not move in 2wd just clicks ?????

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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 08:06 AM
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That has to be either the transfer case or the rear axle. And I would bet on the t-case being the issue. But the reason it may be the rear diff is that when in 4hi or low it feeds power to both the rear and front axles. So if the rear is bad you will still go.

You can test this by removing the front drive shaft and trying to go. If it still goes the problem is the t-case.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 09:13 AM
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it would seem to not be shifting all the way into the 2wd position. Haven't ever heard of a t-case not working in 2wd, pretty sure it is a direct link , like a manual transmission, but would have to study up on it to know for sure. AN easier way to check if you have manual hubs is to unlock the hubs, then shift into the 4 hi position and see if you still have movement. If the truck has auto hubs, then you could simply jack a wheel up and see if it tries to move. You could jack the rear up, leave the trans in park, and see if the wheel will spin. If so, the rear is out, as long as the opposite tire is still down.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 11:04 AM
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I just crawled under it and with it in 2wd the rear driveshaft spins but it doesn't move the truck. Does this mean rear end?
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 11:56 AM
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If you can move the driveshaft with the tires down, then definitely have rear end issues. Had there been any clunking or vibration prior to this?
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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No. I just use it to cut wood and hunt in, but my youngest has been taking it through the field to feed lately. I imagine he was testing it out. Won't ever know.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 01:47 PM
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A Ford 9 inch rear has the removeable center section that makes it easier to access the gears.Put both rear wheels on stands and have someone spin the drive shaft by hand while you "listen" at the diff.If the wheels don't turn and you can hear grinding then it's time to pull the axles and replace the center section. You can get a used center section with the same gear ratio from the junkyard or craigslist for cheap.It's not that hard to replace.Make sure the gear teeth are square and that there isn't any "play" or "slop".I doubt that it's axles as they tend to leave the housing if they snap.If you don't have a service manual then this Forum is a great place to get step by step guidance to help with R&R.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 02:02 PM
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I just re-read post #4.Pull the driveshaft and then the center section as its likely a snapped pinion or broken spider/side gears.Don't prolong the agony.My 9 inch in my E150 4x4 van came apart while driving on the highway.I rarely take it offroad.Stuff happens.I replaced it with a Detroit locker and 2 months later it snapped an axle and spit out the right wheel complete with brake drum still attached.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 04:09 PM
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I pulled the shaft and the front of the pumpkin. Ring and pinion are fine. Now I will pull the axles and see what I have.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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Did you look at the spiders? They will keep you from moving as well.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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Can't see them very well. Can't get my tires off, the tire shop got happy with them. Quit for the day, will update as I get more done. Calling for rain here next few days.
 
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It will be the spiders if the ring and pinion are good. Just had that happen two weeks ago. Not terribly expensive for the parts, but it still takes someone to set it up.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 12:11 PM
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Beat the rain. Pulled axles and pumpkin. Put axle back in on the ground. If I spin the ring gear the axles turn. However, if I hold the axle I can still turn the ring gear. Spiders? The splines seem ok on both axles.

The axle tag reads

WFE AW 1G31
3L50 9 S319B

I assume the spider assembly is one unit??
 

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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 12:45 PM
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Not really an effective test, because even working properly, the axle will be able to spin. You need both axles in place to monitor the behavior. You should be able to turn one axle, and the other turns the opposite way unless you have a locker type axle. The ring gear should stay stationary while doing this. The axle will turn with the ring, as the whole carrier is turning, and there is no resistance from the axle.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2012 | 12:53 PM
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That is what I am trying to say. I can turn the ring and hold the axle still or I can turn the axle and hold the ring still. Not understanding.
 
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