Notices
Garage & Workshop Tips & Ideas for the garage or workshop. No Truck Tech Discussion   

Dumb welding question....

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 2, 2003 | 10:38 PM
  #16  
fatdaddy's Avatar
fatdaddy
Posting Guru
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 1,531
Likes: 1
From: in the country
Dumb welding question....

Never , Never, try to weld Naked!!!!You'll burn the end right off your electrode. fd
 
Reply
Old May 2, 2003 | 11:34 PM
  #17  
Birken Vogt's Avatar
Birken Vogt
Senior User
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
From: Penn Valley
Dumb welding question....

My dad taught me to weld, and one thing he never did and so neither do I, is wear gloves. Obviously the main concern here is burns, but I and he don't have any to speak of. I have never been shocked either and I do indeed hold a lot of live pieces with bare hands.

Why I do this I can't tell. Tradition maybe? Laziness?

Birken
 
Reply
Old May 2, 2003 | 11:43 PM
  #18  
96ExtracabPSD's Avatar
96ExtracabPSD
Mountain Pass
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: Klamath Falls, Oregon
Dumb welding question....

Originally posted by ditch witch
BobbyL,
Check out local schools. Most High Schools or Jr. Colleges have welding courses. As youngsters we hear "practice makes perfect"! That's not necessarily true. Practice makes permanent!! If you learn to weld incorrectly you have to unlearn the wrong way to get it the right way. Just do it right the first time.

If you're welding on a vehicle, make sure to have the ground as close to your welding material as possible. Also make sure the ground is making a good connection. If you don't have a good ground the arc can travel thru your bearings searching for a ground. Then you've got more problems!!!!

And, don't brag and tell all your buddies of your new welder, or your going to class to be a good welder. Every thing they own that is metal and brakes will be brought to your shop for a FREE fix!
That is some of the best advice I have seen. I did just what BobbyL is doing. Two years later I am taking a course in welding and it is like learning how all over again. At least get some good books and read up on it. Good luck.
 
Reply
Old May 3, 2003 | 12:35 AM
  #19  
Kenworth's Avatar
Kenworth
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,533
Likes: 2
Dumb welding question....

What are you worried about getting shocked for a mig welder will only give you a tickle a DC machine will give you a slight shock a AC machine is the worst even if your bone dry it will give you a shock. Most people are scared of welders for me I'am not I have been welding since I was 15 years old I actually taught welding when I was in highschool.

What used to scare the shop students the most would be when I would have the ground in one hand and the stinger in the other and ask one of the students come and touch me. They were so scared about getting a shock they wouldn't come close to me let alone hold the stinger and ground they even got nervous when I used to arc the stinger and ground together.

What really got them so worried was when I poured a gallon bucket of water on the floor stood in the puddle and welded they thought I would be electricuted they thought I was nuts

My familly has a welding shop where we do all of our welding we have 2 stick machines (400 amp 3 phase DC) that get used the most. We do have a 500 amp AC machine that will burn a rail road spike if you could get it into the stinger we don't use this machine much. A DC machine is the only thing that can burn 1/8-5/32s 7018 efficiently its the only rod we use for 90% of our work some times we use 7024 Jetrod.

When I was welding at the school shop I brought some 1/4 7024 Jetrod from our shop the welder at the school was a 250 amp 3 phase. I cranked the welder up and soon as I struck a arc the lights in the part of the school around the IE shop flickered and when I continued to lay a bead the lights dimmed till I stopped

The shop teacher had to come back and see what in the heck I was doing he never seen a welding rod that thick before I said its meant for doing heavy horizontal welds.

The years I took shop there was only me and 3 other students that had almost more welding experience under our belts than the shop teacher. In 95 when I graduated I was the last welder that knew more about welding than the teacher. I couldn't compete with the IE teacher in woodwork as he was a proffessional cabinet maker but when it come to welding I had him semi beat not bad for a 17 year old student

I never did pursue the welding trade in getting my welding tickets my brother has, like meantioned in previous posts on this topic light colored eyes are more sensitive is true. I have blue eyes even using a #14 shade in my helmet I can only weld for 3-4 hours and I'am finished my eyes can't take anymore I even get a headache. I wear a welders Dickey I don't like the smell of burning hair I also wear long sleeved shirts and leather gloves welding arc burns hurt like a SOB.

As for you clothes catching on fire you can smell your clothes burning I have had the crotch of my coveralls catch on fire I get welding burns from sparks all over. If you weld long enough getting burns is just the norm pretty hard to avoid them wearing leathers isn't a option most of the time. You don't want to wear any plastic type made clothes like nylon it melts to your skin your better of wearing cotton it burns not melts. As for foot wear you don't wear running shoes they light up so fast you will never get them off your feet fast enough.

The most important part is don't get any arc flashes you will hurt your eyes in some cases seriously the other thing is watch out for jumping slag. Stainless steel slag is the worst it pops off at any moment and its destin for your eyes so if your using stainless rod becarefull.

Sorry for rambling on
 

Last edited by Kenworth; May 3, 2003 at 12:38 AM.
Reply
Old May 7, 2003 | 09:21 AM
  #20  
FordCwazyGuy's Avatar
FordCwazyGuy
Mountain Pass
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 230
Likes: 1
Dumb welding question....

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in here,im a union ironworker,24 yrs,ive welded everything from thin gauge sheetmetal at nuclear power plants to 6" thick black iron on structural steel buildings.In my experiance & opinion,YOU DO NOT WANT A SHOCK AT ALL ,NEVER.
I know,ive been shocked many a times when wet or sweating but,fact is, "if"the current just happens to pass thru your heart,well,i think you get the picture,im not tryin to prove any one wrong,ive also been shocked many a times & said,"hell,im tough,i can handle it" but it makes no sense to NOT avoid it if at all possible .
If you want to cover your ears while welding,buy a welding cap too big for your head & fits over your ears,its not a good idea to have a few bits of slag bouncing around in your ear drums,dont buy the cheep welding caps in a local "cheep" tool store,material is much more flammable than the good ones you buy at a welding supply store ,one more thing,the guy that said to "always wear safety glasses when welding,"is correct,for 2 reasons,one is to help prevent hot slag & sparks from getting in your eyes when welding because even though you have a welding sheild on,look at all the "open" space on the top,sides & bottom where it all can possibly bounce around inside the sheild right into your eyes & 2,safety glasses do help to a percentage to prevent "flash",if youve never had flash,here is a little idea of what it feels like,,someone throws sand in your eye & it stays there & cant get it out because your eyes are gettin a type of sunburn & it burns like your skin untill they heal,another thing about the burn is,it "will" affect your eye vision later in life.One more thing,dont try to be a tough guy & only wear a short sleave shirt or let much of your skin exposed to welding,for one,the burn is like a real bad sunburn,2 & most of all,too much flash welding to skin is proven to cause skin cancer in later years,,good luck & be safe,,,,Jaydubb
 
Reply
Old May 7, 2003 | 09:21 AM
  #21  
FordCwazyGuy's Avatar
FordCwazyGuy
Mountain Pass
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 230
Likes: 1
Dumb welding question....

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth in here,im a union ironworker,24 yrs,ive welded everything from thin gauge sheetmetal at nuclear power plants to 6" thick black iron on structural steel buildings.In my experiance & opinion,YOU DO NOT WANT A SHOCK AT ALL ,NEVER.
I know,ive been shocked many a times when wet or sweating but,fact is, "if"the current just happens to pass thru your heart,well,i think you get the picture,im not tryin to prove any one wrong,ive also been shocked many a times & said,"hell,im tough,i can handle it" but it makes no sense to NOT avoid it if at all possible .
If you want to cover your ears while welding,buy a welding cap too big for your head & fits over your ears,its not a good idea to have a few bits of slag bouncing around in your ear drums,dont buy the cheep welding caps in a local "cheep" tool store,material is much more flammable than the good ones you buy at a welding supply store ,one more thing,the guy that said to "always wear safety glasses when welding,"is correct,for 2 reasons,one is to help prevent hot slag & sparks from getting in your eyes when welding because even though you have a welding sheild on,look at all the "open" space on the top,sides & bottom where it all can possibly bounce around inside the sheild right into your eyes & 2,safety glasses do help to a percentage to prevent "flash",if youve never had flash,here is a little idea of what it feels like,,someone throws sand in your eye & it stays there & cant get it out because your eyes are gettin a type of sunburn & it burns like your skin untill they heal,another thing about the burn is,it "will" affect your eye vision later in life.One more thing,dont try to be a tough guy & only wear a short sleave shirt or let much of your skin exposed to welding,for one,the burn is like a real bad sunburn,2 & most of all,too much flash welding to skin is proven to cause skin cancer in later years,,good luck & be safe,,,,Jaydubb
 
Reply
Old May 7, 2003 | 09:14 PM
  #22  
xcopterdoc's Avatar
xcopterdoc
Senior User
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 255
Likes: 0
From: "tween the cotton and tob
Dumb welding question....

As far as safety gear goes..
I've started wearing ear plugs in addition to the welding cap. I was recently burning with oxy/acet and some slag popped and went down my ear. Sparks can and will find their way into a welding helmet and if yur welding under something with yur head turned the risk is even greater. Safety glasses and good side shields as a must under the helmet. And one other thing I found out.. you can get UV burns thru a shirt. Ours from our uniform company are 50/50 cotton polyester and during extended welding periods I got burned thru the shirt. Arms and chest. Cotton only if you dont wear leathers.

Mike
 
Reply
Old May 8, 2003 | 12:18 AM
  #23  
Torque1st's Avatar
Torque1st
Posting Legend
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 30,255
Likes: 37
Dumb welding question....

Poly is not good to wear around heat and flames, even the poly cotton mixes can kind of melt and stick or burn. Cotton just smolders.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-5

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-7

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
Old May 8, 2003 | 06:12 AM
  #24  
FordCwazyGuy's Avatar
FordCwazyGuy
Mountain Pass
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 230
Likes: 1
Dumb welding question....

true about clothes,one thing i forgot to mention,if you have a white shirt on while welding,you will get a flash almost as bad as you was wearing nothing,it bleeds right thru a white shirt,i geuss because a white shirt has no dye in it & the dye is a type of block from the uv rays
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2003 | 07:11 AM
  #25  
mptai's Avatar
mptai
Freshman User
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Dumb welding question....

When welding, watch out for your eyes. They can get burned from the reflection off of the arc. You don't have to look straight at the arc to get burned.
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2003 | 06:30 PM
  #26  
Kenworth's Avatar
Kenworth
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,533
Likes: 2
Dumb welding question....

Any part of the arc comming from welding will burn your eyes and if its strong enough can seriously damage them if the arc can give you a severe sunburn imagine what it does to your sensitive eyes.
 
Reply
Old May 19, 2003 | 10:16 AM
  #27  
electricwanntabe's Avatar
electricwanntabe
New User
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Thumbs up Dumb welding question....



I took the time to read most of the other posts on this thread, so here is my well-earned 2 cents worth.

I own a Lincoln WeldPack 100 that I purchased oh, 10 years ago. It has proven to be more than adequate for the bodywork and light fabrication I have been doing.

I seldom wear gloves because I prefer a lighter touch. (I have never experienced a shock from doing this.)

I do wear long sleeve clothing. (Had some slag roll under my wrist watch once.... still have to scar to show for it.)

I always keep extention cords as short as possible (and use a heavy duty one). Doing otherwise will only over heat your welder, and lesson its duty cycle.

I always use a full-face shield. (Knew I fella once who used gas welding goggles to do a little mig welding on his VW...even after I caught him doing it and warned him about the dangers) He said that he could not see what he was doing with the helmet on...(or off in my opinion). The week he spent with his eyes bandaged shut convinced him that he should have headed my warnings.

Only one regret, I wish I had purchased the mig conversion for my little welder way back when. It WAS $72.00, now its around $100.00. I think I’m going to keep this little rig burning .035 flux core, and get a bigger gas equipped machine later on down the line, that is after I buy a plasma cutter.


Melt metal not your mind......Dave
 
Reply
Old May 24, 2003 | 06:41 AM
  #28  
Harmening's Avatar
Harmening
Senior User
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
Dumb welding question....

I noticed you were going to purchase the Lincoln 135T. I work at a welding supply store, and would recommend buying the 135Plus. It gives you the infinite control that the 135T won't. Finding your sweet spot while welding is much easier with this machine.
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2003 | 06:19 AM
  #29  
mikester's Avatar
mikester
Freshman User
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Dumb welding question....

Welder topics sure draw lots of posts,
I am glad to see that everyone seems to be concerned about safety, a good thing, I did not see however any mention of the fact that almost any type of welding produces toxic fumes that must be removed from the work area, galvinized metal and burning paint being among the worst, please provide adequate ventilation when doing any type of welding
 
Reply
Old Jun 10, 2003 | 07:04 PM
  #30  
dragonryder79's Avatar
dragonryder79
Junior User
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
From: London Mills
Dumb welding question....

Remember light reflects. a friend of mine was helping me when I was welding she didn't look at the pretty light. but she cought the reflection off of a fence and still flashed burned her eyes. didn't help that it was kind of misting rain so everything was wet. Just remember the sometimes it better to have extra masks. I've gotten in the habit of telling helpers to turn their heads and close their eyes. better not to see anything for a few seconds then not being able to see for several hoursor days.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:17 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-6
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-7
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-8
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE