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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 01:45 PM
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x-code/c-code question - I gotta be different

So - got the x codes on the front over the weekend. Why x and not v? B/C they are cheaper. Local spring guy at General Spring says the x code is much more popular, the v code is a special order.

Front lift was, um, dramatic. Now I have to do something with the rear for 2 reasons, 1 it looks ridiculous, and 2 the rear springs look pretty spent. The overload bar has an "S" bend to it. I don't think it is supposed to...

Local spring guy says don't use any of the Ex springs like many people suggest on the forums, just replace with the c code's and use the stock Ex blocks. I see most of you guys went with taller blocks. Was that b'c the b codes sit lower than Ex springs to get them level, or because you lost some lift when you broke the b code spring pack apart?
 
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jeeplj8
Front lift was, um, dramatic. Now I have to do something with the rear for 2 reasons, 1 it looks ridiculous, and 2 the rear springs look pretty spent. The overload bar has an "S" bend to it. I don't think it is supposed to...
The factory stock EX rear springs don't have an overload. That bottom leaf/bar is a traction bar (slapper bar) that Ford had to add because the soft lower profile springs they put on the EX's allow some serious axle wrap under load/acceleration.

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Local spring guy says don't use any of the Ex springs like many people suggest on the forums, just replace with the c code's and use the stock Ex blocks. I see most of you guys went with taller blocks. Was that b'c the b codes sit lower than Ex springs to get them level, or because you lost some lift when you broke the b code spring pack apart?
Typically there are two ways to deal with rear B codes when adding front V or X codes. Stock B codes with the stock EX 2" spacer will be about the same height as the stock EX rear springs. To counter the added lift the new fronts give you can either do the B code mod, adding the bottom 2 EX leaves and the thicker EX spacers and use the stock 2" blocks. Or you can install the stock B codes and swap in a set of the F-350 4x4 3.75" (4") tapered blocks. Both of these mods add about 2" over stock and will provide a similar rake as original following a front V or X swap.
When I did my swap I added an extra leaf to my X codes and did both the B mod and taller blocks as well as 2 plates cut from the slapper bar. I saw +3 3/8" front and +4 3/8" rear, my goal was to have a very firm ride and a near level stance while pulling my tongue heavy ToyHauler.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 03:16 PM
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so if rear b codes with stock blocks give about stock ride height, then rear c codes will almost certainly have a higher ride height even with stock Ex spring blocks?

I really only need about 1 inch of lift to the rear to make it level with the front x codes.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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Sorry, but I'm not familiar with the C codes, I used B's and some other junk. And I wasn't looking for a level stance when unloaded.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 03:29 PM
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Sorry, but I'm not familiar with the C codes, I used B's and some other junk. And I wasn't looking for a level stance when unloaded.
c codes are the dually spring. according to the chart from Stewart:
Rear spring codes:
A = F-250 & Excursion (6,084 pounds @ground)
B = F-350 SRW (6,830 pounds @ground)
C = F-350 DRW (8,250 pounds @ground)

General Spring lists them as 3300 capacity (B code is 3000)
 
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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 06:06 PM
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I've read there are two different C codes. You want the ones from the dually rigs, not from the SRW rigs.

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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 07:10 PM
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General Spring specifically refers to it as the dually spring. I will see this weekend how it turns out.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2012 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jeeplj8
General Spring specifically refers to it as the dually spring. I will see this weekend how it turns out.
I'm about to do this and have a fairly new set sitting in the garage. Please post up the results
 
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
When I did my swap I added an extra leaf to my X codes and did both the B mod and taller blocks as well as 2 plates cut from the slapper bar. I saw +3 3/8" front and +4 3/8" rear, my goal was to have a very firm ride and a near level stance while pulling my tongue heavy ToyHauler.
An extra leaf from the old front leafs?
 
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Old Mar 3, 2012 | 01:54 PM
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results are very good. The truck sits level with front x code, rear c code. maybe a little rear high, looks very stock. I did not use any of the ex springs packs.

Couple notes, the rear c codes mangled my mbrp exhaust a little. the bottom overload spring will hit the exhaust at full droop.

the front x codes feel just right. the Ex now corners much flatter, and the ride is so much better than my worn out springs. The truck is easier to control and feels more stable.

one last thing, I would guess i got between 4-5 inches lift. These will of course settle pretty quick, probably end up with 3-4 inches of lift.
 

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Originally Posted by jeeplj8
Couple notes, the rear c codes mangled my mbrp exhaust a little. the bottom overload spring will hit the exhaust at full droop.
Oh wow!

Can you take a pic of the rear suspension so we can see how close the spring is to the exhaust?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by lovestrucks
An extra leaf from the old front leafs?

No, I'm saving the old front leaves to make up a mini leveling pack if I need it when I upgrade my tire size. The extra leaf I added to my new front X codes was the top overload leaf from the new rear B codes, that top leaf has to come off anyway to keep it from damaging the EX's rear A/C lines. I think I've now seen where two other members here have done the same thing with their top overload leaves, one to a set of V codes and another to X codes like mine.
 
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Old Mar 5, 2012 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
No, I'm saving the old front leaves to make up a mini leveling pack if I need it when I upgrade my tire size. The extra leaf I added to my new front X codes was the top overload leaf from the new rear B codes, that top leaf has to come off anyway to keep it from damaging the EX's rear A/C lines. I think I've now seen where two other members here have done the same thing with their top overload leaves, one to a set of V codes and another to X codes like mine.
When we installed my rear c codes I looked at the A/C lines. they were somewhat in the way when removing the front bolt holding the spring to the frame. however, since the shackle is on the rear, the front of the spring does not travel up and down. the A/C lines are about 3 inches to the side anyway.

So how would the top leaf spring get into the A/C lines?
 
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Old Mar 5, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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When the spring unload downward the bottom leaf (which is not full length) digs into the exhaust. it actually broke it free at the clamp behind the muffler.

The Ex springs do not have anything that protrudes toward the rear.

The F-series trucks have a different exhaust outlet position because they do not hane to go around the fuel tank.
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Oh wow!

Can you take a pic of the rear suspension so we can see how close the spring is to the exhaust?

Thanks.

Stewart
 
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Old Mar 5, 2012 | 10:09 AM
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Hey jeep. do you have a pic of the hole truck?
 
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