Wheel bearings keep going bad
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Wheel bearings keep going bad
I have an '04 4x4 EB Expy. Ever since I bought it it has had a noise that has gotten worse over time. The noise comes from the front Rt hand as I turn the wheel to the left. It is noticably bad at freeway speeds. My first thought was the wheel bearing which I replaced two months ago. The noise diminished a good deal but never went away completely. Now it is back just as bad as before. I have to wonder if the vaccuum seal never resealed when I replaced the axle shaft because of a bad CV joint. If anyone has any ideas please let me know.
Thanks, fitzy67.
Thanks, fitzy67.
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I have an '04 4x4 EB Expy. Ever since I bought it it has had a noise that has gotten worse over time. The noise comes from the front Rt hand as I turn the wheel to the left. It is noticably bad at freeway speeds. My first thought was the wheel bearing which I replaced two months ago. The noise diminished a good deal but never went away completely. Now it is back just as bad as before. I have to wonder if the vaccuum seal never resealed when I replaced the axle shaft because of a bad CV joint. If anyone has any ideas please let me know.
Thanks, fitzy67.
Thanks, fitzy67.
In both AWD and 4H, the hubs are locked in -- vacuum is released.
If anything is messed up with the solenoid that releases the vacuum, either leakng or only partially releasing the vacuum, it can really mess with the hubs, allowing a partial accutation.
Does your grinding get better in 2wd? Worse? 4H?
One test is to pull the vac line to the hub. Stick a plug in the line so that doesn't get dirt in there during the test and stick a cap or some tape on the nipple on the hub.
If the grinding is gone, then you have isolated your problem to the vac system.
There are many other posts through the years on this -- many of which I read over on the f-150 forums, as they have the same design.
Perhaps this will help....
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You might want to double check your information because as far as I know expeditions and navigators do not have vacuum lockout hubs. What they do have is a vacuum lockout front differential. The vacuum actuator disengages the ring gear hub from the ring gear inside the differential. But whether you're in 2WD or 4WD the front axle will always turn when the vehicle is in motion.
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You might want to double check your information because as far as I know expeditions and navigators do not have vacuum lockout hubs. What they do have is a vacuum lockout front differential. The vacuum actuator disengages the ring gear hub from the ring gear inside the differential. But whether you're in 2WD or 4WD the front axle will always turn when the vehicle is in motion.
And FYI -- the transfer case to front diff lockout for 03-06 is electronic, not vacumn. Per my own shop manual. Maybe you have never read one?
What you suggest above, I think is correct for 98-02 expys, might be correct for 07 and up, though I doubt it.
There is an old saying about "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" attributed to Abraham Lincoln. Think about it before you respond to this post.
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2004 FORD EXPEDITION Axle Bearing and Hub Assembly
So maybe it's built into the half shaft instead you say? Nope, wrong again.
2004 FORD EXPEDITION CV Half Shaft Assembly
Well I've shown you that vacuum actuated hubs don't exist, now are you going to put up or shut up, or just ramble on some more? You want to pick a fight bring it on, just make sure you've got more to back yourself up than the mindless garbage you've already spewed out!
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Yep, not only have I read "one", but I've actually read it and comprehended what I was reading, unlike you. At no time did I mention the transfer case, I mentioned the front differential. I am well aware that the transfer case sends power to the front drive shaft by engaging an electric clutch, but I didn't mention the transfer case or the drive shaft, now did I? I said, "the vacuum actuator disengages the ring gear hub from the ring gear inside the differential."
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Actually I did go check it first. Go look up the front hubs for an 04, none of them (4WD included) have any vacuum operated components on them.
2004 FORD EXPEDITION Axle Bearing and Hub Assembly
So maybe it's built into the half shaft instead you say? Nope, wrong again.
2004 FORD EXPEDITION CV Half Shaft Assembly
Well I've shown you that vacuum actuated hubs don't exist, now are you going to put up or shut up, or just ramble on some more? You want to pick a fight bring it on, just make sure you've got more to back yourself up than the mindless garbage you've already spewed out!
2004 FORD EXPEDITION Axle Bearing and Hub Assembly
So maybe it's built into the half shaft instead you say? Nope, wrong again.
2004 FORD EXPEDITION CV Half Shaft Assembly
Well I've shown you that vacuum actuated hubs don't exist, now are you going to put up or shut up, or just ramble on some more? You want to pick a fight bring it on, just make sure you've got more to back yourself up than the mindless garbage you've already spewed out!
Just because rockauto doesn't show it, it doesn't exist .....
Well, I am too lazy to scan my SHOP MANUAL to prove this to you.
Here's a link to the item in question on eBay (admittedly, I am stooping to your level)
OEM 2004-2008 Ford F-150 F 150 4x4 Hub Lock Actuator IWE PAIR w/ Vacuum Solenoid | eBay
The vacuum actuator is a separate part that fits on the other side of the hub. Its not built into the hub, but its behind the hub. But 03-06 MOST CERTAINLY has vacuum actuated hubs.
Keep digging alloro -- your holes getting deeper and your ignorance more evident.
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Yep, not only have I read "one", but I've actually read it and comprehended what I was reading, unlike you. At no time did I mention the transfer case, I mentioned the front differential. I am well aware that the transfer case sends power to the front drive shaft by engaging an electric clutch, but I didn't mention the transfer case or the drive shaft, now did I? I said, "the vacuum actuator disengages the ring gear hub from the ring gear inside the differential."
There is no engageing or disengageing the front end from inside the differential WHATSOEVER. There is an electric clutch in the transfer case, which I was merely pointing out to you. And there are vacuum actuators out at the hubs.
But nothing "inside the differential"...
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And a question like this is evidence that you have "read and comprehended" an 04 shop manual?
Alloro -- for once, just quit while you are behind.....
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Not together in the middle of this, gentlemen, but there is a vacuum collar on the back side of the metal mounting bracket that the CV shaft goes through. The hub assembly mounts on the opposite side (wheel side). I know this because I had to remove this in order to install the CV shaft. This vacuum assembly has ring gears that mesh with the ring gears on the end of the CV shaft. There is a black rubber hose that attaches to the vacuum assembly. My next move is to check the vacuum pressure and see if it's disengaging. Thank you for your help.
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OK, this may or may not help you, but here goes: 04 has vacuum actuated hubs. In 2wd, vacuum is applied to the bladder in the hub, which moves a ring gear over and locks out the hubs, so the CV joints don't turn.
In both AWD and 4H, the hubs are locked in -- vacuum is released.
If anything is messed up with the solenoid that releases the vacuum, either leakng or only partially releasing the vacuum, it can really mess with the hubs, allowing a partial accutation.
Does your grinding get better in 2wd? Worse? 4H?
One test is to pull the vac line to the hub. Stick a plug in the line so that doesn't get dirt in there during the test and stick a cap or some tape on the nipple on the hub.
If the grinding is gone, then you have isolated your problem to the vac system.
There are many other posts through the years on this -- many of which I read over on the f-150 forums, as they have the same design.
Perhaps this will help....
In both AWD and 4H, the hubs are locked in -- vacuum is released.
If anything is messed up with the solenoid that releases the vacuum, either leakng or only partially releasing the vacuum, it can really mess with the hubs, allowing a partial accutation.
Does your grinding get better in 2wd? Worse? 4H?
One test is to pull the vac line to the hub. Stick a plug in the line so that doesn't get dirt in there during the test and stick a cap or some tape on the nipple on the hub.
If the grinding is gone, then you have isolated your problem to the vac system.
There are many other posts through the years on this -- many of which I read over on the f-150 forums, as they have the same design.
Perhaps this will help....