OIL TEMP GAUGE NEEDED??
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ok thats what i thought i was just making sure
as far as the scan gauge 2... ive looked into it and i am considering it but i am also wanting analog gauges also to add to the look of the vehicle
as far as the scan gauge 2... ive looked into it and i am considering it but i am also wanting analog gauges also to add to the look of the vehicle
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The Problem with some analog gauges is you have to add a Sender now depending where you add the sender the results could be Skewed
ECT & EOT are to great examples here you want to read those 2 off factory senders so the results are not skewed and you can exicute the test per Ford Spec
Its best to read as Much as you can thru the OBDII port off factory senders
ECT & EOT are to great examples here you want to read those 2 off factory senders so the results are not skewed and you can exicute the test per Ford Spec
Its best to read as Much as you can thru the OBDII port off factory senders
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Basicaly if your breaking down you want to see what the PCM is seeing
Now with standalone it has no bearing on it you may or may not see the issue
I guess you have to decide weather your putting the gauges in to look COOL or to make shure the eengine is within operating spec
I have a few freinds that have those gauges to just look cool but in all reality they have now Idea what there really watching for
If you do it right you can acheive Both
Now with standalone it has no bearing on it you may or may not see the issue
I guess you have to decide weather your putting the gauges in to look COOL or to make shure the eengine is within operating spec
I have a few freinds that have those gauges to just look cool but in all reality they have now Idea what there really watching for
If you do it right you can acheive Both
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Basicaly if your breaking down you want to see what the PCM is seeing
Now with standalone it has no bearing on it you may or may not see the issue
I guess you have to decide weather your putting the gauges in to look COOL or to make shure the eengine is within operating spec
I have a few freinds that have those gauges to just look cool but in all reality they have now Idea what there really watching for
If you do it right you can acheive Both
Now with standalone it has no bearing on it you may or may not see the issue
I guess you have to decide weather your putting the gauges in to look COOL or to make shure the eengine is within operating spec
I have a few freinds that have those gauges to just look cool but in all reality they have now Idea what there really watching for
If you do it right you can acheive Both
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I have to disagree with you on some of this benny. There's nothing wrong with having analog gauges to keep an eye on things. Now granted you really still, if you going to do your own wrenching, need some way to check stuff through the OBDII port (at whitch point something more than the SGII would be better). If you pay attention to the gauges then you know what is normal, and what isn't. So you still will know when you have a problem. The numbers might not be the exact same as what you get from the OBDII port, but you can still see when there is a difference in the numbers from the norm. One of these days i'm going to hook the AE up to my 06 at operating temps, and check the difference between what the AE sees and what the analog reads. I'm betting they will be within a few degress. Either way, knowing what my EOT runs normally (on the analog) I can tell if it is running hotter. So in a sense you are still getting the same capabilities no matter what way you go. I like the look of the analog myself. I have them in the 06 and in the 07 I have the CTS. I like it either way really. To me it's more of a personal prefference, and money, than anything.
I thought only close counted in Horse Shoes and Hand grenades LOL
Im just thinking if I spend the time & money to run a Gauge I want to be able to put it up against the Values Ford has set and some (ALL) are Precise values
Im with ya you could watch a Gauge and Know normal values it reports but once you notice a Discrepancy then you need exact value at that point and the gauge is worthless IMO and you need something eles
I guess I would rather build it right from the start than Half A$$ it CLOSE and when a Problem does present itself then I got to find A diffrent Gauge or scan tool Cause I didnt do it right from the Git Go and My Value could be OFF
But hey to each his own Id say about 50- 75% of folks out there with there Pillair stacked to the MAX with gauges dont know what there looking at anyway
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I wouldn't look at it as half a$$ed. Like I said if you are going to do your own maintance then you would need something more than a SGII anyways. I don't think either route you go is a bad way to go. I actually recomend SGII to alot of people. To me it's a personal preference.
And I don't think actual numbers really matter that much, at least not when your talking a degree or two. If, say for intance, analog gauge reads EOT 220 ECT 190, and SGII reads EOT 222 and 192 ECT it's not that important. The fact is you have a oil cooler problem.
Fact is most people don't do there own matanace anyways. They just need to know when there is a problem so they can get it to someone to check it out. Like I said if I was going to do my own maintance, and I do, I would say get something more than a SGII. AE is my suggestion to anyone doing there own work. There is way more stuff you can do with the AE than the SGII.
Like I said i'm not bashing SGII by any means. I think it's a great little tool to have, and use. I just think it's wrong to tell people that analog gauges are worthless for anything other than looks.
And I don't think actual numbers really matter that much, at least not when your talking a degree or two. If, say for intance, analog gauge reads EOT 220 ECT 190, and SGII reads EOT 222 and 192 ECT it's not that important. The fact is you have a oil cooler problem.
Fact is most people don't do there own matanace anyways. They just need to know when there is a problem so they can get it to someone to check it out. Like I said if I was going to do my own maintance, and I do, I would say get something more than a SGII. AE is my suggestion to anyone doing there own work. There is way more stuff you can do with the AE than the SGII.
Like I said i'm not bashing SGII by any means. I think it's a great little tool to have, and use. I just think it's wrong to tell people that analog gauges are worthless for anything other than looks.
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I guess I should have said it diffrent
I see No Advantage to have lets say an ECT Annalog gauge when if he got a Digital Gauge it would be a more correct reading than the Analog it would be at leasdt what the PCM sees and is using to calibrate the truck
Im saying to pick up the most gauges you can threw the OBDII poprt with a digital gauge then use the analog to get the rest EGT,Fuel Press,LPO,Amps whatever Digital wont get
I see No Advantage to have lets say an ECT Annalog gauge when if he got a Digital Gauge it would be a more correct reading than the Analog it would be at leasdt what the PCM sees and is using to calibrate the truck
Im saying to pick up the most gauges you can threw the OBDII poprt with a digital gauge then use the analog to get the rest EGT,Fuel Press,LPO,Amps whatever Digital wont get
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With a SGII and a few analog gauges EGT,Fuel Press,LPO,Amp the truck is pretty well covered as far as the engine goes
Fuel Pressure and LPO already have ports to install a sending unit so Those senders will end up in the right spot per Ford Spec and will read correctly
And the SGII will get some of the tranny PIDs as well
But that combo there pretty well covers things
Might as well use the senders and stuff thats already there its cheaper and more Correct info and then get the annalog for stuff thats not there from factory
IMO this will get you the most Bang for your Buck/and be the most correct reading analog gauges are spendy for shure
Im also not saying SGII is the only digital gauge to get either Edge is also a good one and DashDac with the ford bundle is probably the best if money allows it
Im not saying that the analog gauges are no good at all I think there Great for those few systems that are not monitored from the Factory
Fuel Pressure and LPO already have ports to install a sending unit so Those senders will end up in the right spot per Ford Spec and will read correctly
And the SGII will get some of the tranny PIDs as well
But that combo there pretty well covers things
Might as well use the senders and stuff thats already there its cheaper and more Correct info and then get the annalog for stuff thats not there from factory
IMO this will get you the most Bang for your Buck/and be the most correct reading analog gauges are spendy for shure
Im also not saying SGII is the only digital gauge to get either Edge is also a good one and DashDac with the ford bundle is probably the best if money allows it
Im not saying that the analog gauges are no good at all I think there Great for those few systems that are not monitored from the Factory
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thanks for that info...... more then likely i will get the scan gauge 2... but i was also wanting analog gauges i like the look of them on the inside of a truck i was just trying to get the info for the most important ones i should get for a 4-gauge pillar
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well, If your going to get the scan gauge, and 4 analog's here would be my list for the analog's
1-FP
2-EGT's
3-LPO
4-there are some choice's here. If you plan to run a bigger turbo in the future maybe a boost gauge, you could do a voltage gauge, an amp gauge, ect..
1-FP
2-EGT's
3-LPO
4-there are some choice's here. If you plan to run a bigger turbo in the future maybe a boost gauge, you could do a voltage gauge, an amp gauge, ect..