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I'm looking for some original body paint for my 66 F100. It has "W" on the ID plate color code which I believe is called 'medium blue.' I'm not having much luck with web searches. Does anyone out there have any suggestions for a paint source? I have a paint gun and and all that, and plan to do it myself - not much experience, but eager to give it a try. It's an old beater truck and I don't have the $ to go overboard - am not trying to achieve perfect quality finish. I'd prefer a matte finish if I can get it in the correct color and in a one-step process. If anyone has any advise on where to get the paint I need and how to get a matte finish, I could sure use some advise - thanks! Les
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Try www.tcpglobal/autocolorlibrary.com. They have the color charts, you can find your paint code. Personally I like to buy my paint local, but you can buy paint from them also.
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The COLOR code is stamped on the 2nd line of the Warranty Plate between W.B. (wheelbase) and the MODEL code.
There is more than one shade of blue, so you need the correct code to match the paint.
There is more than one shade of blue, so you need the correct code to match the paint.
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W = Promotional name: Marlin Blue / Color = Medium Blue.
1960 was the first year that FoMoCo began painting vehicles with acrylic enamel. Note the following part number prefixes:
Marlin/Medium Blue: AE60-1742-B .. Touch Up Paint (3 oz. can w/brush) / AE60-1742-S .. Touch Up Paint (5 oz. spray can).
Don, Dupont invented enamel paint, calling it Duco. First vehicle painted with it: 1924 Oldsmobile. DuPont owned a huge chunk of GM at this time.
But FoMoCo did not paint vehicles with Duco enamel after 1959.
btw: Before enamel paint was invented, vehicles were VARNISHED!
1960 was the first year that FoMoCo began painting vehicles with acrylic enamel. Note the following part number prefixes:
Marlin/Medium Blue: AE60-1742-B .. Touch Up Paint (3 oz. can w/brush) / AE60-1742-S .. Touch Up Paint (5 oz. spray can).
Don, Dupont invented enamel paint, calling it Duco. First vehicle painted with it: 1924 Oldsmobile. DuPont owned a huge chunk of GM at this time.
But FoMoCo did not paint vehicles with Duco enamel after 1959.
btw: Before enamel paint was invented, vehicles were VARNISHED!
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SO, with all that said,,, can DuPont Acrylic Enamel still be had in the color of our choice for the yr of our truck??? IF NOT, what brand and type is available that can match our color. When I went to the local auto paint store here, they said they can take the 'letter' paint code but it doesn't mean it will match. AND, unles you can find some of the old paint, here in California, they are only allowed to spray the new water based paint. Seems the only way to get a good quality paint is to have it shipped in from another State and hope you can find someone that will spray it. So who still sells the old style Enamel?
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Every paint shop I have ever been to in the state of CT. Its been awhile since I bought any enamel, but I know they still sell it. Im sure the rest of the country will follow Californias lead sooner or later.
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Unless you can find some of the old paint, here in California, they are only allowed to spray the new water based paint.
Seems the only way to get a good quality paint is to have it shipped in from another State and hope you can find someone that will spray it.
Lotsa luck, cuz it's a felony in CA to use anything other than water base, which btw isn't new, as it was first used beginning in the mid 1980's.
Who would risk the chance of being caught and arrested, then having to go thru the courts, hiring an attorney (that's 10 grand EZ right there), probably losing the case...
Then spending time in jail and being stuck with the court costs...all for painting a truck with outlawed paint? Not I said the fly.
So who still sells the old style Enamel?
Seems the only way to get a good quality paint is to have it shipped in from another State and hope you can find someone that will spray it.
Lotsa luck, cuz it's a felony in CA to use anything other than water base, which btw isn't new, as it was first used beginning in the mid 1980's.
Who would risk the chance of being caught and arrested, then having to go thru the courts, hiring an attorney (that's 10 grand EZ right there), probably losing the case...
Then spending time in jail and being stuck with the court costs...all for painting a truck with outlawed paint? Not I said the fly.
So who still sells the old style Enamel?
Then he's stuck as a bug on fly paper. If he doesn't want base coat/clear coat water base paint, he'll have to travel to AZ, NV or maybe OR to have it painted there.
The OP may be off the hook. "About Me" profile sez GA
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Actually, Bill, the only people mandated to use water base paint are production/paint shops. An enthusiast, like me, can still spray single stage paints if I so desire. It was base coat that the law was after since it is mixed 1:1 with solvent unlike single stage. Currently my PPG store still has a 2.1 VOC single stage for sale if I want it which is the same as the clear available for the last several years. If I want 3.5 VOC Concept I can go to Reno for it.
When I painted the truck cab there was a complaint from the guy next door. The code enforcement division called and said I couldn't paint. I told them Federal law and also that there was no law prohibiting me from doing so in Contra Costa County. Since I wasn't a shop, that is what they were told, I was free to paint as an individual. Code enforcement never bothered me again.
On another note this January 1st all oil base alkyd enamel paints have been phased out in California from Kelly Moore or whoever. Yep, I just love putting water base paint on bare metal. Anyway the retail stores are able to sell off existing stock from the warehouse and that is it. However, I can use as much of it as I want to my hearts content. I have 30 gallons of it stored on the ship already mixed. I now buy gallon cans of base, no color, to bring in anytime I want to have it mixed up. Since I am their only customer who buys this stuff it will be around awhile for me. Auto paint I buy in Reno or get it shipped from TCP in San Diego.
When I painted the truck cab there was a complaint from the guy next door. The code enforcement division called and said I couldn't paint. I told them Federal law and also that there was no law prohibiting me from doing so in Contra Costa County. Since I wasn't a shop, that is what they were told, I was free to paint as an individual. Code enforcement never bothered me again.
On another note this January 1st all oil base alkyd enamel paints have been phased out in California from Kelly Moore or whoever. Yep, I just love putting water base paint on bare metal. Anyway the retail stores are able to sell off existing stock from the warehouse and that is it. However, I can use as much of it as I want to my hearts content. I have 30 gallons of it stored on the ship already mixed. I now buy gallon cans of base, no color, to bring in anytime I want to have it mixed up. Since I am their only customer who buys this stuff it will be around awhile for me. Auto paint I buy in Reno or get it shipped from TCP in San Diego.
The regulation you're referring to is actually for autobody refinishing
shops; however, we had many questions about what activities qualify as
hobbyist and so we added a definition to this rule clarifying what we
consider to be hobbyist activities. See pages 1745 (last column),
COMMENTS: Several comments noted that the applicability of the proposed
rule, as written, could be interpreted to apply to all paint stripping
and surface coating operations, and included no exemptions for
automobile hobbyists or homeowners stripping and painting their own
property or vehicles. Nearly all commenters felt that paint stripping
and surface coating by hobbyists and homeowners should be exempt from
the rule. Several commenters suggested that EPA establish a de minimis
usage threshold, based on either major source surface coating rules or
state volatile organic compounds (VOC) rules, to exclude noncommercial
paint stripping or surface coating operations. The commenters noted that
hobbyist and homeowner activities are difficult to locate because they
are located in residential areas and are intermittent. However, one
commenter suggested that the rule should have no exemptions and any
individual painting vehicles should be subject to the proposed equipment
and training requirements.
RESPONSE: EPA re-examined the scope of the source categories that we
listed based on the 1990 national emissions inventory. The analyses that
were the basis for the source category listing for paint stripping,
miscellaneous surface coating, and motor vehicle and mobile equipment
surface coating focused on commercial operations, along with some
government and institutional operations, such as municipal garages that
service fleet vehicles. Homeowners and hobbyists were not part of these
analyses and were not intended to be part of the listed source
categories. Therefore, the final rule has been revised to clarify that
it does not cover paint stripping and surface coating performed by
individuals on their personal vehicles, possessions, or property, either
as a hobby or for maintenance. This subpart also does not apply when
these operations are performed by individuals for others without
compensation, which is akin to the hobbyist and homeowner activities
not considered in the baseline inventory that formed the basis for the
listing of the source categories at issue here. However, for motor
vehicle and mobile equipment surface coating operations, an individual
surface coating more than two vehicles per year will be covered by the
rule. This limit on the number of vehicles coated per year was included
so that commercial automobile surface coating shops could not avoid
compliance by claiming to be a hobby shop. The limit was based on
information collected from automobile hobbyists during the rule
development. The hobbyists that provided information to the EPA
suggested that a legitimate hobbyist would complete no more than two
automobile restorations or customizations per year.
* * *
1760
What This Subpart Covers
§ 63.11169 What is the purpose of this subpart?
Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, this subpart
establishes national emission standards for hazardous air pollutants
(HAP) for area sources involved in any of the activities in paragraphs
(a) through (c) of this section. This subpart also establishes
requirements to demonstrate initial and continuous compliance with the
emission standards contained herein.
* * *
§ 63.11169 (d) This subpart does not apply to any of the activities
described in paragraph (d)(1) through (6) of this section.
* * *
§ 63.11169 (d) (3) Surface coating or paint stripping performed by
individuals on their personal vehicles, possessions, or property, either
as a hobby or for maintenance of their personal vehicles, possessions,
or property. This subpart also does not apply when these operations are
performed by individuals for others without compensation. An individual
who spray applies surface coating to more than two motor vehicles or
pieces of mobile equipment per year is subject to the requirements in
this subpart that pertain to motor vehicle and mobile equipment surface
coating regardless of whether compensation is received.
(See attached file: Final Paint Stripping and Misc Surface Coating Area
Source Rule.pdf)
In summary, hobbyists have NO requirements under this rulemaking. They
are NOT a regulated entity.
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Kim R. Teal
Environmental Protection Specialist
U.S. EPA/OAR/OAQPS/SPPD/NRCG
E143-03
Research Triangle Park, NC 27711
EMAIL: teal.kim@epa.gov
DIRECT: (919) 541-5580
shops; however, we had many questions about what activities qualify as
hobbyist and so we added a definition to this rule clarifying what we
consider to be hobbyist activities. See pages 1745 (last column),
COMMENTS: Several comments noted that the applicability of the proposed
rule, as written, could be interpreted to apply to all paint stripping
and surface coating operations, and included no exemptions for
automobile hobbyists or homeowners stripping and painting their own
property or vehicles. Nearly all commenters felt that paint stripping
and surface coating by hobbyists and homeowners should be exempt from
the rule. Several commenters suggested that EPA establish a de minimis
usage threshold, based on either major source surface coating rules or
state volatile organic compounds (VOC) rules, to exclude noncommercial
paint stripping or surface coating operations. The commenters noted that
hobbyist and homeowner activities are difficult to locate because they
are located in residential areas and are intermittent. However, one
commenter suggested that the rule should have no exemptions and any
individual painting vehicles should be subject to the proposed equipment
and training requirements.
RESPONSE: EPA re-examined the scope of the source categories that we
listed based on the 1990 national emissions inventory. The analyses that
were the basis for the source category listing for paint stripping,
miscellaneous surface coating, and motor vehicle and mobile equipment
surface coating focused on commercial operations, along with some
government and institutional operations, such as municipal garages that
service fleet vehicles. Homeowners and hobbyists were not part of these
analyses and were not intended to be part of the listed source
categories. Therefore, the final rule has been revised to clarify that
it does not cover paint stripping and surface coating performed by
individuals on their personal vehicles, possessions, or property, either
as a hobby or for maintenance. This subpart also does not apply when
these operations are performed by individuals for others without
compensation, which is akin to the hobbyist and homeowner activities
not considered in the baseline inventory that formed the basis for the
listing of the source categories at issue here. However, for motor
vehicle and mobile equipment surface coating operations, an individual
surface coating more than two vehicles per year will be covered by the
rule. This limit on the number of vehicles coated per year was included
so that commercial automobile surface coating shops could not avoid
compliance by claiming to be a hobby shop. The limit was based on
information collected from automobile hobbyists during the rule
development. The hobbyists that provided information to the EPA
suggested that a legitimate hobbyist would complete no more than two
automobile restorations or customizations per year.
* * *
1760
What This Subpart Covers
§ 63.11169 What is the purpose of this subpart?
Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, this subpart
establishes national emission standards for hazardous air pollutants
(HAP) for area sources involved in any of the activities in paragraphs
(a) through (c) of this section. This subpart also establishes
requirements to demonstrate initial and continuous compliance with the
emission standards contained herein.
* * *
§ 63.11169 (d) This subpart does not apply to any of the activities
described in paragraph (d)(1) through (6) of this section.
* * *
§ 63.11169 (d) (3) Surface coating or paint stripping performed by
individuals on their personal vehicles, possessions, or property, either
as a hobby or for maintenance of their personal vehicles, possessions,
or property. This subpart also does not apply when these operations are
performed by individuals for others without compensation. An individual
who spray applies surface coating to more than two motor vehicles or
pieces of mobile equipment per year is subject to the requirements in
this subpart that pertain to motor vehicle and mobile equipment surface
coating regardless of whether compensation is received.
(See attached file: Final Paint Stripping and Misc Surface Coating Area
Source Rule.pdf)
In summary, hobbyists have NO requirements under this rulemaking. They
are NOT a regulated entity.
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Kim R. Teal
Environmental Protection Specialist
U.S. EPA/OAR/OAQPS/SPPD/NRCG
E143-03
Research Triangle Park, NC 27711
EMAIL: teal.kim@epa.gov
DIRECT: (919) 541-5580
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Actually, Bill, the only people mandated to use water base paint are production/paint shops. An enthusiast, like me, can still spray single stage paints if I so desire. It was base coat that the law was after since it is mixed 1:1 with solvent unlike single stage. Currently my PPG store still has a 2.1 VOC single stage for sale if I want it which is the same as the clear available for the last several years. If I want 3.5 VOC Concept I can go to Reno for it.
When I painted the truck cab there was a complaint from the guy next door. The code enforcement division called and said I couldn't paint. I told them Federal law and also that there was no law prohibiting me from doing so in Contra Costa County. Since I wasn't a shop, that is what they were told, I was free to paint as an individual. Code enforcement never bothered me again.
On another note this January 1st all oil base alkyd enamel paints have been phased out in California from Kelly Moore or whoever. Yep, I just love putting water base paint on bare metal. Anyway the retail stores are able to sell off existing stock from the warehouse and that is it. However, I can use as much of it as I want to my hearts content. I have 30 gallons of it stored on the ship already mixed. I now buy gallon cans of base, no color, to bring in anytime I want to have it mixed up. Since I am their only customer who buys this stuff it will be around awhile for me. Auto paint I buy in Reno or get it shipped from TCP in San Diego.
When I painted the truck cab there was a complaint from the guy next door. The code enforcement division called and said I couldn't paint. I told them Federal law and also that there was no law prohibiting me from doing so in Contra Costa County. Since I wasn't a shop, that is what they were told, I was free to paint as an individual. Code enforcement never bothered me again.
On another note this January 1st all oil base alkyd enamel paints have been phased out in California from Kelly Moore or whoever. Yep, I just love putting water base paint on bare metal. Anyway the retail stores are able to sell off existing stock from the warehouse and that is it. However, I can use as much of it as I want to my hearts content. I have 30 gallons of it stored on the ship already mixed. I now buy gallon cans of base, no color, to bring in anytime I want to have it mixed up. Since I am their only customer who buys this stuff it will be around awhile for me. Auto paint I buy in Reno or get it shipped from TCP in San Diego.
You were very fortunite that you had an untrained, uncertified, unqualified inspector. The fine for an illegal, unpermitted spray operation is $1,000 and up to 6 months county jail. If repeated, it vecomes a $25,000 fine and 1 year state prison.
If you check in the small footnotes/references of your homeowners insurance policy, it will state, if you are spraying any prohibited product, your insurance is invalid.