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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 12:58 PM
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Operating Temps for Gauges

i got my scan gauge II installed and got several of the xgauges loaded as well, so now what abt the temps and monitoring, what are they suppose to be...???

driving the WT was 190 and EOT was 208 consistant
idle WT was 188 and EOT was 199
TFT remained at 145 throughout

idle-- TFT 145
TFC 3.81 ?? whats that
ICP 580 ??
IA 100 ??
 
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Teds
driving the WT was 190 and EOT was 208 consistant
idle WT was 188 and EOT was 199
Looks like an oil cooler is in your future. I'm not sure what your calling TFT.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by zhilton
Looks like an oil cooler is in your future. I'm not sure what your calling TFT.
why that be??

TFT is tranny fluid temp

with delete do i even have a cooler??
 
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 01:41 PM
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why that be?? with delete do i even have a cooler??
Your coolant is showing 188-190 which is pretty normal. It's the 208F on the oil temp...18F higher than the coolant that says the oil cooler is clogged and not cooling the oil efficiently. And left unrepaired could cause some very important plastic parts in the LPO/HPO system to melt. Normally the EGR cooler would be the first damaged with a high delta (difference in EOT/ECT temp)....but not in you case since the EGR cooler was deleted.
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TFT is tranny fluid temp
Duh, for some reason I wasn't even thinking of the slush box. Which in that case, seems normal...but I don't remember what mine runs. Only looked at it once and it was 130-ish. Was too busy looking at other things directly on the engine.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 02:33 PM
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I've been having a problem with my TFT sensor lately myself. The gauge goes crazy, the tow/haul light flashes, and my Edge Insight temp for it jumps up and down like crazy, from 145 up to 350, but then usually settles at about 135-155 range when it works "normally."

I thought though that unless you have an actual TFT probe hooked up to your monitor the temp displayed is usually about 30 degrees less than actual?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Teds
TFC 3.81 ?? whats that
ICP 580 ??
IA 100 ??
TFC= Total Fuel trip Cost, it's part of the SCII's MPG/cost per mile program. It says my car gets 45-55mpg, and even after doing the fillup thing a few times it hasn't gotten any better, so I don't put any stock or faith into MPG readouts or any cost per mile associated with it.

ICP = Injector Control Press, you had to have programmed this in yourself. Truck needs 500psi to start, will run from ~600 at idle to 3000+ while driving. The IPR has a control valve to limit pressure to ~4000psi.

Inj. Control Press. (ICP / HPOP)
TXD: 07E0221446
RXF: 046205140646
RXD: 3010
MTH: 003900640000
NAM: ICP
KO=0 LI=625.5 HI=1400-1450 OR=0-4045


IA= Intake Air Temp, stock SCII gague, should run ~113* according the the SCII coding list I got from here




Since this is a relevant place for this... what should the IPR% reading be? The list says the range is from 0-50%, but mine goes higher than 50% under load? Mainly it's in the 20s-30s.

IPR Duty Cycle
TXD: 07E0221434
RXF: 046285140634
RXD: 3008
MTH: 0DCA03E8000A
NAM: IPR %
KO=14.84 LI=24 HI=40.60 OR=0-50 %
 
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 03:18 PM
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we'll have to wait for a response i dont know what the IPR is...
 
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Originally Posted by Teds
we'll have to wait for a response i dont know what the IPR is...
Injector control pressure regulator, the goofy shaped valve that controls pressure from the HPOP to the injectors. As the % goes up the valve restricts oil draining from the HPOP, increasing ICP (injector control pressure).

I think a high % is a sign that either the ICP sensor is going out, or that the STC fitting is failing because the valve is holding back more pressure to counteract the loss through the failed fitting, but exactly what %s show a failure is what I'd like to confirm with the guys here.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 12:55 PM
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around town driving the water temp and oil temp are within 10 degrees, but cruising on the hwy it is 16-17 degrees diff, so is my oil cooler failing??
 
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Teds
around town driving the water temp and oil temp are within 10 degrees, but cruising on the hwy it is 16-17 degrees diff, so is my oil cooler failing??
Failing, no; starting to clog...yes. At 15 degrees (or more) is the indicator of a clogged oil cooler. A failed oil cooler will dump oil into the cooling system....and will look like a chocolate milk shake in the degas bottle.

I realize that sounds petty, but there is a difference in what you have to do to repair the problems and "fall-out" of the failure in the case of a ruptured oil cooler.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 02:57 PM
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so with that said, i will be having injectors done prob this week, should i replace oil cooler at this time, my coolant is as green as it can be no choc milk there...
 
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Teds
so with that said, i will be having injectors done prob this week, should i replace oil cooler at this time, my coolant is as green as it can be no choc milk there...

The Green Coolant is More than Likely what has Plugged the Oil Cooler

Green coolant cannot take the Heat and will slime the whole system

If you change that oil cooler I wouls STRONGLY suggest either some Ford Golds or ELC CAT EC-1 silicate free rated Coolant

You also Might be able to flush it Clean IDK but the green coolant is a BIG NO-NO


As far as the Operating values theres 3 Specific Point to take readings and they are

KOEO= Key On Engine Off
Low Idel= 628 RPMs
High Idel= 2500 RPMs

Now for the Values THANKS Cheezit You Guys should give Him some reps for Taking the time to Post these Values for Us


operating values
here some operating values. if you need help in sypher let me know.

Acronym Key On Low Idle High Idle Operating Range Measurement Units Description
ACCS OFF OFF OFF OFF/ON OFF/ON AC Cycle Switch
ACP OPEN OPEN OPEN OPEN/ CLOSED OPEN/ CLOSED AC Pressure Switch
APP 0 0 13 0 - 17.75 PERCENT Accelerator Pedal Position
APP1 4.0 4.0 3.4 0.7 - 4.2 VOLT Accelerator Pedal Track 1
APP2 1.4 1.4 1.9 1.4 - 4.1 VOLT Accelerator Pedal Track 2
APP3 0.9 0.9 1.4 0.8 - 3.5 VOLT Accelerator Pedal Track 3
APP_MODE CT CT PT CT, PT, WOT CT, PT, WOT Accelerator Pedal Position
AST 00:00 00:07 01:00 - min : sec Time Since Start
B+ 12.6 13.3 14.0 10.5 - 15.5 VOLT Battery Voltage
BARO 96.5 (14) 96.5 (14) 96.5 (14) 50 - 120 (7.3 - 17.4) kPa (PSI) Barometric Pressure
BOO OFF OFF OFF ON/OFF ON/OFF Brake Pedal
BPA OFF OFF OFF ON/OFF ON/OFF Brake Pressure Applied
CLRDIST 926.1 926.1 926.1 - Miles Distance Since DTCs Cleared
CLRWRMUP 2 2 2 - Numeric Value Number of Warmups Since DTCs Cleared
CMPFM NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT CMP Status
CPP/PNP NEUTRAL NEUTRAL NEUTRAL NEUTRAL DRIVE/ NEUTRAL Clutch Pedal Position
DECHOKE No No No - Yes/No Dechoke Mode
DRIVECNT 6 7 7 0 - 65535 NUMBER Valid Drive Counter
DTCCNT 0 0 0 0 - 255 NUMBER DTC Count
ECT 88 (190) 88 (190) 88 (190) -40 - 121 (-40 - 250) TEMPERA- TURE °C (°F) Coolant Temperature
ECT_FM NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT ECT Fault
EGR EVAL NO NO NO YES NO/YES EGR Evaluated
EGR DC# 0 0 - 15 32 0 - 44 PERCENT EGR Duty Cycle
EGR_F NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT 0 - 44 FAULT/NO FAULT EGR Status
EGRVP 0.8 0.8 - 1.0 1.3 0.6 - 3.5 VOLT EGR Valve Position
EGRVPDES 0 0 9.72 0 - 14 PERCENT EGR Desired
EOT 88 (190) 88 (190) 88 (190) -40 - 150 (-40 - 302) TEMPERA- TURE °C (°F) Oil Temperature
EOTFM NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT EOT Status
EP 103 (15) 110 (16) 110 (16) 55 - 607 (8 - 88) kPa (PSI) Exhaust Pressure
EP_V 0.8 1.2 1.3 0.4 - 4.7 VOLT Exhaust Pressure
EP DSD 3.26 2.43 2.13 PSI Exhaust Pressure Desired
FANSS 0 533 488 0 - 4000 RPM Fan Speed
FANSSM LOW LOW LOW LOW LOW/HIGH Cooling Fan Driver
FAN VAR # 0 0 0 0 - 100 Percent Fan Speed Monitor
FAN VAR_F NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT Fan Speed Monitor
FICMSYNC NO YES YES YES YES/NO Synchronization from FICM
FICM_LPWR 12.0 13.5 13.5 10.5 - 15.5 VOLTS FICM Logic Power FICM logic power from the FICM relay.
FICM_MPWR 47 47.5 47.5 40 - 52 VOLTS FICM Main Power FICM injector power supply from the FICM relay.
FICM_VPWR 12.0 14.0 14.0 10.5 - 15.5 VOLTS FICM Vehicle Power FICM vehicle power from the ignition switch.
FLI 36.1 36.1 34.1 0 - 100 PERCENT Fuel Level Indicator
FP# ON/OFF ON ON ON ON/OFF Fuel Pump
FPM ON/OFF ON ON ON ON/OFF Fuel Pump Monitor
FUELPW 0 990 680 0 - 50000 (μ seconds) Fuel Pulse Width
GENB_F NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT Generator 2 Output Fault
GENFIL OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF/ON Generator Fault Indicator
GEN_F NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT Generator 1 Output Fault
GPCTM 0 0 0 0 - 180 TIME (seconds) Glow Plug Coil On Time
GPL ON/OFF OFF OFF ON/OFF ON/OFF Glow Plug Indicator
GPLTM 0 0 0 1 - 10 TIME (seconds) Glow Plug Indicator On Time
IAT 98.6 98.6 96.8 -40 - 250 TEMPERA- TURE (°F) Intake Air Temp (MAF Assembly)
IAT2 113 113 113 -40 - 250 TEMPERA- TURE °F Intake Air Temp (Manifold Air)
IATFM NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT IAT Status
ICP 0.2 1.0 1.8 0.15 - 4.7 VOLT Injection Control Pressure
ICP_DES 0 625.5 1400 - 1450 0 - 4045 PRESSURE (PSI) ICP Desired
INJ1_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ2_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ3_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ4_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ5_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ6_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ7_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ8_OFF # NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL DISABLE/ NORMAL Injector Disabled
INJ_TIM 0 -8.71 +3.5 -50 - 50 ANGLE (Degrees) Injector Timing (TDC)
IPR # 14.84 24 40.60 0 - 50 PERCENT Injection Pressure Regulator
LOAD 0 12.5 14 0 - 100 PERCENT Calculated Load Value
MAF 0 1.44 2.65 0.5 - 4.75 VOLT Mass Air Flow
MAF_FM NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT NO FAULT/ YES FAULT Mass Air Flow Status
MAP 96 (14) 96 (14) 103 (15) 41 - 324 (6 - 47) kPa (PSI) Manifold Absolute Pressure
MAP_V 1.30 1.33 1.40 0.5 - 4.5 VOLT Manifold Absolute Pressure
MFDES 0 7.5 10.7 0 - 100 MASS mg/stroke Mass Fuel Desired
MGP 0 0.25 0.8 -10 - 30 PRESSURE (psi) Manifold Gauge Pressure
MIL OFF OFF OFF OFF ON/OFF Malfunction Indicator
MIL_DIS 926.1 926.1 926.1 - Miles Distance Since MIL Activated
MISF_EVAL NO NO YES YES NO/YES Misfire Monitor
MP_LRN YES YES YES YES NO/YES Learned Misfire Correction
NM 0 0 0 0 - 65535 NUMBER Number of Misfires
PATSENABL ENABLED ENABLED ENABLED ENABLED ENABLED/ DISABLED Passive Anti-Theft
PBA OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF/ON Park Brake Applied
PNP Neutral Neutral Neutral Park/Neutral Park/Neutral Park/Neutral Position Switch
RPM 0 628 2500 0 - 4096 RPM Revolutions Per Minute
RPMSD 625 625 625 625 RPM Desired Idle RPM
SCCS NONE NONE NONE OFF/ON/ RESUME/ CANCEL/ NONE/SET/ COAST/ NOT AVAILABLE OFF/ON/ RESUME/ CANCEL/ NONE/SET/ COAST/ NOT AVAILABLE Speed Control Switches
STRT_RLY DISABLED DISABLED DISABLED DISABLED DISABLED/ ENABLED Starter Relay
SYNC NO YES YES YES NO/YES CMP and CKP Synchronized
TORQUE 0 9 - 20 50 400 Nm Net Engine Torque
TRIP NO NO NO YES N0/YES OBD Trip Completed
TRIP CNT 0 0 0 0 0 - 255 Trip Count
VFDES 0 9 14 0 - 250 VOLUME mm^3 Volume Fuel Desired
VGTDC # 0 73 43 0 - 100 PERCENT Turbo Duty Cycle
VGT_F NO NO NO NO NO/YES Turbo Fault
VREF 4.9 4.9 4.9 4.5 - 5.5 VOLTS Reference Voltage
VSS 0 0 0 0 - 120 SPEED (MPH) Vehicle Speed
WAC OFF OFF OFF OFF ON/OFF WOT A/C Cutoff
WFS NO NO NO NO NO/YES Water in Fuel
 
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 04:00 PM
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so with that said, i will be having injectors done prob this week, should i replace oil cooler at this time, my coolant is as green as it can be no choc milk there...
Benny already answered you on the green coolant. But when you do the oil cooler is up to you. Replacing the oil cooler doesn't involve opening the valve covers...so it's not exactly like "your already there". But if you having someone do the work, by all means...get it done while it's there. I'm sure the labor rate will be lower. You'll need to do a complete flush at least (LOTS of water at minimum) to get all that green coolant out of there.
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I Rep'd him last weekend...too soon to do it again.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2012 | 04:20 PM
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oh this is just great.......ugh......so is there anything in particular to use to clean out the coolant other than water??


blade-- i have no idea what i am suppose to do with these values??? help....

replace cooler w OEM??? if so do u have part #??
 
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Cleaners for that slime Might try Simple Green

then after the simple Geen maybe some VC-9 its a Boiler/rust cleaner But you need to get the Slime Out first

As Far as the Values lets Break one Down

Lets do IPR%

IPR # 14.84 24 40.60 0 - 50 PERCENT Injection Pressure Regulator

KOEO= Key On Engine Off = 14.84
Low Idel= 628 RPMs = 24
High Idel= 2500 RPMs = 40.60

The last thing 0-50 percent is the operating range of said sensor at these RPM Range so if it falls out of spec it May trigger a CEL

If you can look at it like it was in a Rows and colums that may help
 
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