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My brother-in-law has an '08 F450 diesel. I got a message from my sister a couple weeks ago asking if we had $17,000 she could have (in jest). I said uh-oh, what did he do now? Apparently, the fuel pump (? I wondered injector pump, but she said no) blew/disintegrated, and in turn sent all kinds of wonderful minute particles into the engine and therefore destroyed it too. Of course he has 140k on the odometer so there is no warranty. I searched the net and have not come up with another instance of anything like this. Anybody ever heard of anything like this at all? I would think this is a defect in the pump to cause something like this, but what possible recourse could he have at this point? He loves this truck, it's his second SD, but he has issue after issue. Luckily, the other problems he has had were covered when it was under warranty. He also has the issue of having some sort of bullseye on him that everyone but him can see, as he has been hit numerous times in both of his SD's. At this point he is looking at $12k to have the engine replaced and is not happy at all.
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That really sucks. Unfortunately, he is stuck with it being out of warranty. I'm no diesel expert, but I would think the fuel filter would catch stuff like that.
That's one of the things that has made me stick with gas. If for some reason my engine does go, it's a couple grand and I can replace it myself.
That's one of the things that has made me stick with gas. If for some reason my engine does go, it's a couple grand and I can replace it myself.
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The high pressure fuel pump is downstream from the filter. The pressures developed are too high to put a filter between that pump and the motor. It would shred the filter.
We've read of similar occurrences on the 6.7 diesel as well. Apparently those pumps don't like any form of water in the fuel at all.
We've read of similar occurrences on the 6.7 diesel as well. Apparently those pumps don't like any form of water in the fuel at all.
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The high pressure fuel pump is downstream from the filter. The pressures developed are too high to put a filter between that pump and the motor. It would shred the filter.
We've read of similar occurrences on the 6.7 diesel as well. Apparently those pumps don't like any form of water in the fuel at all.
We've read of similar occurrences on the 6.7 diesel as well. Apparently those pumps don't like any form of water in the fuel at all.
Makes sense though.
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I have heard something like this happening to 6.4s. It was in a video done by Bill Hewitt from powerstrokehelp.com. I saw it on youtube i think. What he explained was that either regular gas or water will make the HPFP internally explode and send all that junk to the engine via the injectors. He had one disassembled and showed all the little pieces. I will try to find the video and post a link to it.
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If it was me, I would invest that 12k in a Cummins swap. How about your insurance company, will they cover that?
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Not unless it happened as the result of some sort of unfortunate "accident". I don't recommend committing insurance fraud though.
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I don't want to say it's common but it does happen. Sometimes the culprit is water in the fuel. If that's the case there is a chance of collecting from the source of the fuel, or more likely on the comprehensive insurance. I have no idea what proof the insurance company would want. If a Ford dealer has the truck maybe thy can provide evidence that the pump imploded due to water in the fuel. If you look through the 6.4L forum you should find a couple other cases like this. Maybe you could ID the poster and PM him for more detailed info. Good luck
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Worst case if the auto insurance angle doesn't help a more reasonable fix might be a good used take-out engine. Ive seen allot of them on e-bay with 15,000 to 50,000 thousand miles for 3,500 to 6,000, there usually salvaged trucks but the engine come with some type of warranty. The engines come complete with turbo,fuel,system,harness...ect basically a drop in.
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When I talked to my sister yesterday, she said they are hoping there are signs of water on the inside of the pump. I guess that is the proof the insurance wants to be able to file a claim. I have no idea if any rust would show up in there or not. I would think they could have the fuel in the tank tested, but maybe that isn't good enough. He had just drained water out of the separator (?) about a week before this happened. Keeping our fingers crossed. I had no idea something like this could happen, pretty amazing, but downright terrible.
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When you pull the top filter, use a camera and flashlight and take some pics. Rust and metal shavings...also keep the filters. Probably there too. Insurance may want them.
diagnosis from the tech should be good enough to get the ball rolling for the repair
diagnosis from the tech should be good enough to get the ball rolling for the repair
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