F550 Build
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From: Corvallis, OR
I have to agree with all nice build quality and detail
I have one question with all your detail what is your reasoning on using helicoil
wouldn't it have been better to go to the next size bigger drill and tap it or use a grade 8 insert
I have so many troubles with helicoil's that we don't have any in our shop
just my .002
nice build
I have one question with all your detail what is your reasoning on using helicoil
wouldn't it have been better to go to the next size bigger drill and tap it or use a grade 8 insert
I have so many troubles with helicoil's that we don't have any in our shop
just my .002
nice build
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well lets see how do you know what the clamping force is on a piece of stainless steel wire I have had so many problems with helicoils they are a temporary fix at best you already are making the hole bigger to adapt to a helicoil and vibration will take out a helicoil in no time flat this is what I use instead of a piece of wire
Key Inserts (Keenserts) - Metric & Standard - Pointe Products - Distributor of Bolts, Nuts, Fasteners & Parts
this is just one brand
sorry but helicoils have cost me many hrs of down time and have never really proven themselves as any thing more than a temporary repair
Key Inserts (Keenserts) - Metric & Standard - Pointe Products - Distributor of Bolts, Nuts, Fasteners & Parts
this is just one brand
sorry but helicoils have cost me many hrs of down time and have never really proven themselves as any thing more than a temporary repair
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From: Gilbert, PA
I have to agree with all nice build quality and detail
I have one question with all your detail what is your reasoning on using helicoil
wouldn't it have been better to go to the next size bigger drill and tap it or use a grade 8 insert
I have so many troubles with helicoil's that we don't have any in our shop
just my .002
nice build
I have one question with all your detail what is your reasoning on using helicoil
wouldn't it have been better to go to the next size bigger drill and tap it or use a grade 8 insert
I have so many troubles with helicoil's that we don't have any in our shop
just my .002
nice build
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you will
I work in an industrial maintenance setting and using helicoils is a no no they have cost me many hrs of down time and meetings that have had the question why did you fix it that way so I have a real bad taste for them when they pull out they usually break a cone out and really mess things up
our policy on use of heli-coils: it is a temporary fix until the correct parts are obtained from oem or a machined replacement is obtained and the heli-coiled part is removed and replaced
nice build I like your use of por15 god that stuff is great it just has to be coated
and the panel adhesive that is stronger than a weld
keep up the good work
I work in an industrial maintenance setting and using helicoils is a no no they have cost me many hrs of down time and meetings that have had the question why did you fix it that way so I have a real bad taste for them when they pull out they usually break a cone out and really mess things up
our policy on use of heli-coils: it is a temporary fix until the correct parts are obtained from oem or a machined replacement is obtained and the heli-coiled part is removed and replaced
nice build I like your use of por15 god that stuff is great it just has to be coated
and the panel adhesive that is stronger than a weld
keep up the good work
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thank you sir
at least I know I am not the only one that has had issues
Diesel_Brad don't take it I am beating you up on this I am not I have had way too many issues with these products and dont want others to have the same problems. it has been years since my last *** chewing for these but I remember it like yesterday
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Helicoils like to come loose and they work down the hole. I've removed a bolt before and found the helicoil broken into a dozen pieces. When you break off the tang it falls into the hole, can be bad depending on what it was installed into, can't always get to or find the tang. They also take special taps.
A keensert or any of the other hardened steel bush styles use normal tap sizes and generally stronger than the base material. I used to use those all of the time on machining fixtures, the tapped holes last longer with the insert installed, but when the hole does wear out it is a 5min repair job.
A keensert or any of the other hardened steel bush styles use normal tap sizes and generally stronger than the base material. I used to use those all of the time on machining fixtures, the tapped holes last longer with the insert installed, but when the hole does wear out it is a 5min repair job.
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well, looks like your thread about awesome work on nice truck got hijacked about helicoils.... The truck looks awesome, really nice work going into as well. I also liked seeing all the Fords in the background!
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Fleet Owner
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From: Gilbert, PA
Everyone has their preferences. I personally have yet to have a helicoil fail(in 100 or so applications) or know of anyone personally that has had one fail.
Go the hood wetsanded and buffed out today. Hopefully install hood and fenders tomorrow
Go the hood wetsanded and buffed out today. Hopefully install hood and fenders tomorrow
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first never was my intention to hijack my apologizes
you are doing a really fantastic job on the build
the por 15 and body adhesive A++ I do like the color
my experiences with helicoils are non automotive in the industrial setting
you are doing a really fantastic job on the build
the por 15 and body adhesive A++ I do like the color
my experiences with helicoils are non automotive in the industrial setting
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From: Gilbert, PA
I can not think of anywhere the adhesive is not a suitable replacement for welding on a panel lap seam
You Keep What You Kill
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From: Huntersville, NC
Modern adhesives are super strong. I remember watching a program on the SPEED channel where they show how cars are manufactured (BMW, Corvette, etc.). The OEM representative stated that the sheet metal would break before the adhesive would break... unbelievable.
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that adhesive stuff has taken the place of welding it is so great no hot spots warping. and the issues that come with heating metal through welding especially now-days where the bodys are zink coated
I have used it in an industrial setting as well as automotive and I have found only 1 application it did not work on
we had made a guard out of spring steel and the steel was smooth and it would not adhere to that other wise this stuff will stick to anything
gm has been gluing door hinges on for at least 10 years take a look at door hinges where it mounts to the body not many have bolts anymore
don't knock it till you try it
I have used it in an industrial setting as well as automotive and I have found only 1 application it did not work on
we had made a guard out of spring steel and the steel was smooth and it would not adhere to that other wise this stuff will stick to anything
gm has been gluing door hinges on for at least 10 years take a look at door hinges where it mounts to the body not many have bolts anymore
don't knock it till you try it
