does the turbo count as a muffler?
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[QUOTE=steelhead2;11356238]The turbo is an effective muffler. But if they say put one between there and the tailpipe youd better do it. Like said in an earlier post, youre lucky theyre not fining you for no cat.
that's what I'm saying, if the turbo can be considered a muffler then why did I fail for not having one
that's what I'm saying, if the turbo can be considered a muffler then why did I fail for not having one
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One last time....
( Muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine and/or turbine wheels for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from a diesel engine, both of which are effective in reducing noise.)
The part that's underlined is where your getting hung up on the law. A diesel engine is an internal combustion engine PERIOD. You can fuss about all you want about the turbocharger is a turbine wheel...but if you read closely it's part of the engine by design for power; not noise reduction.
( Muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine and/or turbine wheels for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from a diesel engine, both of which are effective in reducing noise.)
The part that's underlined is where your getting hung up on the law. A diesel engine is an internal combustion engine PERIOD. You can fuss about all you want about the turbocharger is a turbine wheel...but if you read closely it's part of the engine by design for power; not noise reduction.
i read it loud and clear, its saying AND/OR turbo wheels for the pupose of receiveing exhaust gas form a DIESEL engine, BOTH( meaning 2 things) are effective at reducing noise. all yall keep saying is a muffler but there are two things being referenced, but WHAT is the other thing? the turbo is a power adder but it is also part of the exhaust system. so if we just take away the AND it will say or turbo wheels meaning a turbo.
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i see what your saying but the AND/OR part means that two things are effective as a muffler, not recieving exhaust from the turbo.
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so if i say you can have cake and/or brownies, thats means you have to choose one or the other or can you have both? there is no need to add puntuation before the and /or because only two thing are being refered to.
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That passage defines what a muffler is, and it says you need one regardless of where the exhaust is coming from be it the engine or a turbine wheel.
That's how I'm reading it, anyway.
That's how I'm reading it, anyway.
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No. I am not going to explain basic grammar and sentence structure to you but here ya go. If it had read "Muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine, and/or turbine wheels for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from a diesel engine, both of which are effective in reducing noise." then you would be correct because there would be 2 things referred to. This would be a device consisting of a series of baffle plates or other mechanical design and the other would be turbine wheels.
The way it is written the items being referred to are the series of chambers or baffle plates. The way it is written I could also read it as the both referring to the diesel engine muffler or the gas engine muffler.
Inspection/Rejection Criteria
<DIR>20.15 Exhaust System. Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with muffler in good working order and in constant operation.
Muffler defined: Muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine and/or turbine wheels for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from a diesel engine, both of which are effective in reducing noise.
The exhaust system includes the manifolds, gaskets, exhaust lines, mufflers, resonators, tailpiping, and supporting hardware.
Motor vehicles cannot be equipped with a muffler which is perforated or which was perforated and has been repaired, either by a muffler repair jacket or by patching or in any other way. In those cases where a muffler is perforated at the time of an inspection or has been perforated and has been repaired previous to the inspection, the muffler must be replaced or the vehicle rejected.
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<DIR>20.15 Exhaust System. Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with muffler in good working order and in constant operation.
Muffler defined: Muffler is a device consisting of a series of chambers or baffle plates or other mechanical design for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from an internal combustion engine and/or turbine wheels for the purpose of receiving exhaust gas from a diesel engine, both of which are effective in reducing noise.
The exhaust system includes the manifolds, gaskets, exhaust lines, mufflers, resonators, tailpiping, and supporting hardware.
Motor vehicles cannot be equipped with a muffler which is perforated or which was perforated and has been repaired, either by a muffler repair jacket or by patching or in any other way. In those cases where a muffler is perforated at the time of an inspection or has been perforated and has been repaired previous to the inspection, the muffler must be replaced or the vehicle rejected.
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