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I have had this argument many times and this is my personal feeling
auto's are for lazy or handicapped people or those that are not one with what they are driving
both of my kids learned how to drive with a stick my oldest she missed a stick so bad that when she bought her toaster( IE SICON XB ) I had to find her a manual
My step daughter she learned to drive a stick but she is not one with what she drives so she wants a auto
I boils down to if you drive or DRIVE
So you're saying the force is with you? The Luke Skywalker of the Super Duty. Gonna have to check with the DMV about a handicapped tag and use up some of them empty spots up near the front.
and yes I'll be keeping my automatic flippin sticks suck in traffic, did that for years and never again on purpose.
Yes driving a stick in constant city traffic is a royal PITA. The luxury I have is that my truck isn't my daily driver therefore my love of the manual trans is maximized.
Although far from apples-to-apples, I got burned really bad on my old Dodge Cummins (and ATS) transmissions so I swore to never do autos again unless I had no choice. Unfortunately for those of us that share my opinion, the time has basically come where we no longer have that option. No choice = a bad thing.
There's just something so cool about being able to do a transmission service in your own driveway, with no special tools other than a hose attachment to the oil bottle, and with only having to shell out $ for 5-6 qts of oil.
I would like to see the elimination of the F-350 SRW. Just call all SRW trucks an F-250 and make all DRW trucks an F-350. Manufacturing 2 different SRW trucks seems like a waste of money.
I agree, they should bring back the stick. While we're bitching, get rid of that sissy **** for 4wd. Put the stick back !! when I need 4wd I wanna know that it's in, not hoping it is!! In a smaller vech. no prob. but "SUPER DUTY" C'MON ....already had the motor go bad in 2 explorers but said it was engaged SUPRISE it wasn't.
Well, we had the 1999-2004, 2005-2007, 2008-2010, now 2011 to present. So, maybe 2014?
Since the same basic cab has been used since 1999, I would expect a substantial redesign to occur sometime before 2019.
And that cab before this one was used 80-97. Ford seems to find a cab they like and stick with it.
In my opinion, after 07 the SD front ends have been a little on the gaudy side, with the 08-10s being only slightly better than the current noses. I would like to see something handsome and a little more conservative on the next nose.
I'm afraid that the big re-design, whenever that is, is going to have IFS. Earlier rumors hinted that the F250's might be IFS while the F350's would retain the solid axle. That would boost F350 sales I bet!
I know its not economical, but it would be nice to see the manual transmission come back as an option.
Why would it not make economical sence to reintruduce the stick shift x/miss? Ford raises the price of the vehicle.Not too many diesel truck buyers are squwking about the exorbitant premium they are paying. Ford should NOT go with IFS on these trucks period. Some one mentioned the ECO-BOOST engines. The published numbers (torque/horse power) look very good but how long will these engines last with a small displacement and high RPM under a heavy load?
I agree, they should bring back the stick. While we're bitching, get rid of that sissy **** for 4wd. Put the stick back !! when I need 4wd I wanna know that it's in, not hoping it is!! In a smaller vech. no prob. but "SUPER DUTY" C'MON ....already had the motor go bad in 2 explorers but said it was engaged SUPRISE it wasn't.
just my opinion...whew !! I feel better already.
Nah, I like turning a **** on the dash versus having a lever in the way.
Originally Posted by GVS
Why would it not make economical sence to reintruduce the stick shift x/miss? Ford raises the price of the vehicle.Not too many diesel truck buyers are squwking about the exorbitant premium they are paying. Ford should NOT go with IFS on these trucks period. Some one mentioned the ECO-BOOST engines. The published numbers (torque/horse power) look very good but how long will these engines last with a small displacement and high RPM under a heavy load?
What manual transmission are you going to use that will reliably handle 400hp and 800lb-ft of torque?
That aside, the take rate for the manual transmission is not worth the cost of offering one.
I think the front ends are getting a little too much. If they add more it will be tacky. Having said that, in 08 when the new ones came out I felt it was the ugliest thing I'd seen. When I laid eyes on mine, I liked it alot.
I think they should keep the solid front axle. IFS is great and all but I bought a truck.
I like the ****, But like said earlier, engage the shifter and you know your in 4x4 not hoping. My system has not acted up so far so I dont have a gripe, But I'm assuming one day it may let me down which is a crappy feeling. I guess I can learn to like it which leeds me into my next point.
I only trusted manuals until I was in my mid 20's. I bought my first truck with an automatic. I rode that one and put it away wet. I took care of it for the most part but I always had it off road and drove like a 20 year old and it held up with no problem. I may regret saying this, but out of all the transmissions Ive owned which is half manual and half auto Ive had more troubles with the mauals. Clutches only, but repair costs non the less. Sure I can swap out the oil easily, but that is infrequent and makes no huge difference. Ive learned to trust autos. My wifes fusion is a manual and I dont "hate" driving it and use only 3 of the 5 gears anyway, but it does stink sometime.
IFS is for cars and GM vehicles. I had a 2001 2500 HD silverado. Although it was good riding and driving truck its IFS was a PITA to lift and weaker then a straight axle truck of its competitor. SD's are heavy duty trucks not light duty trucks with IFS.
Why would it not make economical sence to reintruduce the stick shift x/miss? Ford raises the price of the vehicle.Not too many diesel truck buyers are squwking about the exorbitant premium they are paying.
I'm not saying its not economical for us, its not economical for Ford.
As mentioned they would have to design a new trans that can handle the torque of the new PSD. Also, the last few years the manual trans was offered, it wasn't a great seller for various reasons.
So, high cost of development + low sales does not equal us getting the manual option any time soon.
I agree, they should bring back the stick. While we're bitching, get rid of that sissy **** for 4wd. Put the stick back !! when I need 4wd I wanna know that it's in, not hoping it is!! In a smaller vech. no prob. but "SUPER DUTY" C'MON ....already had the motor go bad in 2 explorers but said it was engaged SUPRISE it wasn't.
just my opinion...whew !! I feel better already.
You can still get manual hubs and a 4x4 lever on the '12 SD's...
I enjoy autos ok enough, just not for HD towing (especially over the long-term). I drive big rigs off and on and the fact that industry relies almost exclusively on manuals says pretty much all I need to know about what makes sense when towing heavy.
FoMoCo, at least in some parts of the equation), also loves the fact they don't have to provide manuals as everyone now has to pay a premium for the Auto trans up front, most will pay their local dealership to service it over it's life as doing it yourself is not even remotely feasible now, and when it finally goes the price for to replace is significant.
Glad to see so many complaining about not having the manual option. I wanted to join with them saying bring back the stick.
Heck I'd consider buying a new truck if they had a stick shift option (not interested in the manual push button option). Since there's no stick shift option, there's enough other things I don't like that keep me from even thinking about it. I like my truck how it is. I'll just keep driving it till the wheels fall off or until Ford or someone offers a truck I'm interested in.
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