What is Torgue
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From: North Ga Mtns
Never thought about that...Hmm
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I hate that "fly-by-wire" stuff. You open the pedal and the computer asks itself "is this really what he wants to do?" Stupid!! This is exactly why Toyota got in trouble over there mishaps a few years ago.....with them claiming "well the operator got the pedal under the floor mat"....and to this day they they haven't owned up to their "fly-by-wire" computer was at fault.
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But!! You cant see the forest for the trees...LOL. Yes..it does...BUT how many people of this generation have ridden in one? How many have expeirnced that kind of power? In my generation everyone had access to someone that had that kind of power.
BTW...(I am no Dodge man so bear with me if I am a little off) a 70 Cuda had a 426 cu Hemi which was "published" to have 425 hp / 490 torgue...probably more like 500/600......and I will promise you that if you sit in the Hemi and the Ford and you WILL know the difference!!!
BTW...(I am no Dodge man so bear with me if I am a little off) a 70 Cuda had a 426 cu Hemi which was "published" to have 425 hp / 490 torgue...probably more like 500/600......and I will promise you that if you sit in the Hemi and the Ford and you WILL know the difference!!!
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If I had to buy a new "muscle car" it would be the Mustang GT, or Mustang Boss 302.
The 2012 Mustang specs for the 5.0 liter Coyote engine, pumps out 412 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 377 pounds of torque at 4,250 rpm , while the Boss 302 models receive an upgrade to 444 horsepower and 380 pounds of torque.
However its still got more hp than torque. But (I think) impressive for a 302.
The 2013 Shelby GT 500 has 650 hp and 600 fpt. Then I know you can have it sent to Shelby himself, and he will sign the dash and sun visor, and slap a bigger super charger on it, to get even more power. but that's big bucks.
The 2012 Mustang specs for the 5.0 liter Coyote engine, pumps out 412 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 377 pounds of torque at 4,250 rpm , while the Boss 302 models receive an upgrade to 444 horsepower and 380 pounds of torque.
However its still got more hp than torque. But (I think) impressive for a 302.
The 2013 Shelby GT 500 has 650 hp and 600 fpt. Then I know you can have it sent to Shelby himself, and he will sign the dash and sun visor, and slap a bigger super charger on it, to get even more power. but that's big bucks.
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If I had to buy a new "muscle car" it would be the Mustang GT, or Mustang Boss 302.
The 2012 Mustang specs for the 5.0 liter Coyote engine, pumps out 412 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 377 pounds of torque at 4,250 rpm , while the Boss 302 models receive an upgrade to 444 horsepower and 380 pounds of torque.
However its still got more hp than torque. But (I think) impressive for a 302.
The 2012 Mustang specs for the 5.0 liter Coyote engine, pumps out 412 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 377 pounds of torque at 4,250 rpm , while the Boss 302 models receive an upgrade to 444 horsepower and 380 pounds of torque.
However its still got more hp than torque. But (I think) impressive for a 302.
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Back in the day a freind of mine had a 327 Vega.The cops in Council Bluffs didn't like us very much,but it had that neck snappin' seat smashin' throttle response we all know and love.Had a 74 FLH I built up that was good on torque too.Zoomazoom.Now iv'e settled for a minivan and my 92 F150.Oh well.
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Detroit built a lot of "torque monsters" in the late 50s through 70s, most of these engines were in luxury cars, Cadillacs, Lincolns, etc. Buick actually designated their engines in the 60s by torque, the 401 was a "Wildcat 445" the 425 was a "Wildcat 465". Buick's nail head was a real torquey engine due to it's small ports and high lift cam, it needed to be with a Dynaflow! The original 430 Lincolns were 375hp and 490ft-lbs rated. All of these engines were designed to drag 3 tons of steel away from a stoplight with a long legged rear end gear so they actually got pretty decent gas mileage considering 1 - over 400ci, 2 - no lock up torque converters, and 3 - breaker points and carburetors. Chrysler's original hemi, the 392ci version was a pretty good torque engine too.
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WHat are you taking about?
1st, you are saying there is nothing with torque these days.
Now you are saying that there is not enough vehicle with torque.
You have to keep things in perspective. Muscle care were the thing to have in the 60s. Today, not so much.And the REAL muscle cars of today make MORE HP AND torque than the ones from the 60s.
But DIESEL trucks are the thing to have and they make MORE HP and MORE torque that the 60s muscle cars, get 15-20MPG doing it and can tow 4 muscle cars. Just because the muscle car era died doesnt mean torque has
1st, you are saying there is nothing with torque these days.
Now you are saying that there is not enough vehicle with torque.
You have to keep things in perspective. Muscle care were the thing to have in the 60s. Today, not so much.And the REAL muscle cars of today make MORE HP AND torque than the ones from the 60s.
But DIESEL trucks are the thing to have and they make MORE HP and MORE torque that the 60s muscle cars, get 15-20MPG doing it and can tow 4 muscle cars. Just because the muscle car era died doesnt mean torque has
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WHat are you taking about?
1st, you are saying there is nothing with torque these days.
Now you are saying that there is not enough vehicle with torque.
You have to keep things in perspective. Muscle care were the thing to have in the 60s. Today, not so much.And the REAL muscle cars of today make MORE HP AND torque than the ones from the 60s.
But DIESEL trucks are the thing to have and they make MORE HP and MORE torque that the 60s muscle cars, get 15-20MPG doing it and can tow 4 muscle cars. Just because the muscle car era died doesnt mean torque has
1st, you are saying there is nothing with torque these days.
Now you are saying that there is not enough vehicle with torque.
You have to keep things in perspective. Muscle care were the thing to have in the 60s. Today, not so much.And the REAL muscle cars of today make MORE HP AND torque than the ones from the 60s.
But DIESEL trucks are the thing to have and they make MORE HP and MORE torque that the 60s muscle cars, get 15-20MPG doing it and can tow 4 muscle cars. Just because the muscle car era died doesnt mean torque has
There is torque today but it is nothing like the flat torque curves of those engine's produced from the early 60's through the early 70's, they were insane. They were the reason that we have mandatory car insurance today. There was no insurence needed by law back then till these engines appeared, and people were killing themeselves and others with those heavy cars.
Take the 409 for example the combustion chamber was in the upper part of the cylinder, not the head, the head having only tiny recesses for the valves. They did this by combining the use of a cylinder head deck that was not perpendicular to the bore with a crowned piston, as it aproched tdc, the angle of the crown combined with that of the head deck to form a wedge shaped combustion chamber with a pronounced quench. The spark plug protruded vertically into this chamber, which tended to cause a rapidly moving flame front during combustion.
torque developed at low and high engine speeds, resulting in an engine with a broad torque curve, its just not the same with todays engines, and you would need to feel them to understand I think.
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I have driven plenty of Muscle cars, 429s, 454s, 426 hemis. And a new Mustang or camaro will blow their doors in. A 8k pickup will keep up with them too
I dont really think you can get a much flatter torque curve than a diesel
I dont really think you can get a much flatter torque curve than a diesel
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Okay then, but only hookers like to climb up into those cab's
