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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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help with brake problem

I just got a 76 f150, power brakes , new front rotors,new master cylinder. While driving the brakes will out of the blue occasionally firmly drag, when I pull over the brake pedal is very tight with no play at all. I shut the truck for a few seconds and everything goes back to normal with plenty of play in the pedal. Thanks in advance for your help
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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Someone may have miss adjusted the brake rod behind the master cylinder ....It may not be opening the return ports for the fluid .. Loosen the nuts holding the master cylinder in place , see if the problem goes away ...
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 07:50 PM
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I would disconnect the vacuum line to the power booster, cap it off (plug the hose) and then see how the brakes are.

The pedal will be hard because there's no power assist but it should be consistent.

Have you looked at the rear brakes at all?
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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I would disconnect the vacuum line to the power booster, cap it off and then see how the brakes are.

The pedal will be hard because there's no power assist but it should be consistent.

Have you looked at the rear brakes at all?
I'm confused ,,, what would the booster have to do with this ?

All it does is assist ...
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:01 PM
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Thanks guys. I have not checked the rear brakes yet but it is the next thing on my list
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:13 PM
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I'm confused ,,, what would the booster have to do with this ?

All it does is assist ...
He says everything goes back to normal after shutting off the engine (although he says nothing about restarting the engine or and when the brakes return to normal in relation to that event), this makes me suspicious of the power brake booster (which runs from engine vacuum).

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...I shut the truck for a few seconds and everything goes back to normal with plenty of play in the pedal.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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The rear brakes are either yup or nope ..What is it that makes them work ?...
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
He says everything goes back to normal after shutting off the engine (although he says nothing about restarting the engine or and when the brakes return to normal in relation to that event), this makes me suspicious of the power brake booster (which runs from engine vacuum).
So you are thinking the booster is holding the brakes on ?

If so the check valve may be an issue ...If that is the case , it will affect all front & rear ...
 
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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After shut down I feel the pedal go back to normal restart and everything is ok. I was leaning more towards something to do with the booster (though I admit that I don't know if how or why rhats possible). Here is why I think booster

The problem is intermittent

I can sit parked and running and pump the brakes all day and they bleed down with no problem

The problem comes on its own, not from mr applying the brakes

Thanks again
 
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ctubutis
I would disconnect the vacuum line to the power booster, cap it off (plug the hose) and then see how the brakes are.

The pedal will be hard because there's no power assist but it should be consistent.

Have you looked at the rear brakes at all?
You were correct, disconnected booster and problem solved. Thank you. If you have any in site as to how the booster would cause this problem I would be very interested
 
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 07:02 AM
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I would just buy a booster and master cylinder and be done with it. It's the most important system, don't go halfway, do it right.
 
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SwOkcOffRoader
I would just buy a booster and master cylinder and be done with it. It's the most important system, don't go halfway, do it right.
Oh yeah. But would like to know how the booster could cause my described problem
 
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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 07:13 AM
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A new or reman Booster/Master should also have the pushrod adjusted or matched to the booster and take that concern "off the table" as well.
 
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Originally Posted by bulldog1064
You were correct, disconnected booster and problem solved. Thank you. If you have any in site as to how the booster would cause this problem I would be very interested
The part of your description that made me suspect the power brake booster was the pedal returning to "normal" after the engine has been shut off.

With the vehicle not moving, the only effect the engine not running has on the brakes is the removal of vacuum from the power booster.

(My question about the back brakes was never intended to be related to the booster, I was merely wondering if work had recently been done there or if perhaps it needed to be - a mechanical problem back there can definitely affect the pedal.)

Anyhow, disconnect the vacuum and the brakes are fine, logic tells me the problem is in the booster/MC/pedal area and not at the drums or calipers.

Most vacuum-operated power boosters are essentially the same and look something like so:



For descriptions of how these things work, read:

Hydraulic brake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Classic Chevy, Chevrolet, GMC, Ford technical articles
Troubleshoot Power Brakes
 
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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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Ctubutis, thank you very much for your help. I still have not had a chance to check the rear brakes. Like you I believe that the problem is limited to the booster being that there has not been a problem of any kind since it being disconnected. Thanks again
 
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