Everyone should post on this site for a new Excursion: Ford Social: There’s something happening here at Ford. It’s new.

 

to whoever said the expedition took it away is pretty far off. two TOTALLY different trucks. i own both and driving them back to back the expedition feels about 10x smaller.

like said, it all came down to sales....

 

Here's the problem people think of a ford to be a work truck and not something for luxury so they go with the gm products and they rust out and the drive train is junk but you get what you pay for gm goes for 40000 and ford goes for 50000 and it won't have the 4x4 problems that the gm has and run longer there's a reason if You look at most jobsights you mainly see fords they are reliable and the ford owner knows it apples and oranges man only fords in my driveway

 

Or we can just spring for a Tim Custom Excursion. The possibilities are basically endless with a custom Excursion from Tim.

 

Completely disagree on pricing. I buy American (as American as US car makers can get). My family has been a "Ford" family, but I will consider GM trucks in purchases.

I priced out GM SUV's and Ford SUV's when I got my Expedition, GM's (Tahoe) ran about 10k MORE than Ford (Expedition) for less off road capability - yet one more reason for going with Ford over GM. When I priced Suburbans over Excursions (both used), I again found Ford cheaper for more truck.

In my opinion people that are slaves to GM vehciles do so because of loyalty alone and not capability. My bone stock 5.4l 4x4 Expedition ran rings around comparable Tahoe's. Plus, it was not only able to keep pace with lighter, smaller Toyota 4x4's with true locking diffs, it was more capable than some smaller Toyotas - able to make some climbs that the "TRD" factory modified trucks couldn't. I'll see if I can dig up a YouTube video of my Expy climbing a hill that my buddy's Tundra with tires and locking diff couldn't get up.

I think sales issues were a combination of green movement (or, rather, bad press) and that statement about "each Exursion was a F250/350 that sold faster". A full back seat in a F250/350 with the versatility of a bed gave owners a lot more flexibility. How many folks out there really use the third row seat on a regular basis? Maybe 30% of owners?

On this latest purchase (upgrading my Expedition) I included GM again (SUV and pickup). I couldn't justify the higher used value on GM trucks over Fords (and I also couldn't find enough full-size rear seat editions on GM trucks - I could only find extended cab versions with smaller rear seats). Price, history of capabilities and availability pretty much ruled out GM and Dodge.

I personally debated a F250 and F350 (both with full rear seats) against the Excursion. The ride on the 350 was too rough for my wife. The 250 was a bit cheaper with better ride, but I'd have had to rhino line it and put some kind of cover over the bed (not a shell) to keep my gear secure, but it still would have been subject to summer heat and minor water getting into the bed (read: Still have to spend another $5000-$1000 after the purchase). My wife actually pushed for the black 250 (suprised me quite a bit), but I preferred to save that $1000 and put it onto tweaking my Excursion.

The Excursion would give me water protection and let me limit at least some of the heat my gear would have had to endure. I used my third row seat once in my Expedtion (when I still coached soccer) and it didn't factor in at all in my Excurison purchase because of that.

Just my train of thought when I made my purchase.

 

Excursion suffered the same fate the the Expedition is now about to suffer

Death by Yuppie

Ford is going green and high MPG in every aspect they can. They've slowly killed off all the vehicles that are major MPG offenders, and/or they've redesigned them to be cars. Look at the new Exploder. It's a widened Taurus...no longer a SUV

The X was a great idea in late 90's and early 00's...but by 2005 the growing yuppie movement had done it's damage. And this same movement has transferred it's evil gaze onto the X's little brother. I'm annoyed as heck with Ford right now since they seem to be killing the Expy EL off.

 

What's up with the EL? Are there rumors floating around that it will bite the dust or what?

I think that as long as GM keeps the Suburban/Yukon XL around, Ford will be playing in the same game.

 

I agree the SUVs are becoming care on steroids and not what they should be. I suppose they will say it's for dynamics/fuel milage but come on the make small diesel motors they could be using. Who out there wouldn't buy a expedition or f150 that's diesel? If it's emissions that's easy vw has been doing it for years. they are missing out on a gold mine. The market would be cornered and the competition wouldn't know what to do.

 

I agree the SUVs are becoming a car on steroids and not what they should be. I suppose they will say it's for dynamics/fuel milage but come on the make small diesel motors they could be using. Who out there wouldn't buy a expedition or f150 that's diesel? If it's emissions that's easy vw has been doing it for years. they are missing out on a gold mine. The market would be cornered and the competition wouldn't know what to do.

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and those new diesel hybrids will get here. I took an auto extrication class recently (one of the classes focused on hybrids and electric vehicles).

The instructor who consults with manufacturers on proper ways to cut up hybrids so you don't kill the firefighters or occupants. He discussed the new direction heavy duty vehicles might be going soon...very small diesel engines providing electricity to motors that can pump out 1500ft/lb's of torque.

You would get the efficiency of diesel engines (tiny compared to the big honkin' motors you get in today's trucks) with the massive power and torque of electric motors.

Think of diesel locomotives...diesel powering electric motors...

 

Hay there is an idea
That's something to think about the technology has been around for years and I think a way to go. But have you seen the batts. In a train it better be a tandom f150 lol

 

That's just it, wouldn't need batteries...straight diesel generator powering the motors direct (at least that's how the instructor described it).

 

EL seems to be going the way of the Dodo. The standard Expy will be around for ??? yrs still. But the EL has been treated like a redheaded stepchild by Ford. Much like the Excursion was. Many people have never even heard of the EL. They see them, but don't know what it is

Ford already did this with the Minivan. So did Chevy. Ford is shifting focus to smaller cars and letting the people like me and y'all look elsewhere for a high occupancy vehicle. Real shame though, because the comparable Chevy/GM version of my current vehicle is almost $10k more to purchase


edit: I was pricing out a 2012 Expy today. I paid $38k for my current one brand new. The 2012 version with exactly same options (as close as can be achieved anyways) prices out at $51,300. The Suburban equivalent was $55k!

 

Got a love the economy
This happened in the 30s no money high prices
Thanks US congress and stock market for fuel prices that makes everything to be more expensive
But not everyone can use a car or van
My lane is a quarter mile long in central Illinois when it snows it blows I had a car got it stuck and before I could get it pulled out it was gone now a perminite part of a drift in tell I could dig it out so no cars in my garage.
Well I also pull a trailer.

 

What someone said up above about some not knowing what an EL was, I thought it was just a longer Expediton by 6 or 8 inches.( not sure on the size difference) For myself and strictly my opinion, I feel the EL was a waste of resources, and it seems that ford themselves are seeing it now, too bad so late. As another said that the expy was going out, well from what I have read, it will be around for more years than you think, its
ford's crown of big suv's, sure you have those people that look at every vehicle as a mpg issues or what have you but then there are those, like me that dont give a crap what it gets, I bought my expedition for what it could do for me and my family, no hybrid out there today can give me this yet.