Alive and unemployed beats dead...........Double tap the "ringleader" the other 2 will wet their pants and run.
Fear for ones own life has been well established at this point, no time to become a statistic.

 

So, what would I do? I would get over it is what I would do. I can say that because I have been in that situation twice in the 80's. First time a revolver and sawed off shot gun were involved which resulted in a $10 loss. The second had no guns involved that I could tell and while it resulted in a $5 loss in the end this one went into the win column for me versus the two robbers making me 1 win and 1 loss. If I had not dealt with it then you wouldn't have seen me on any street at night anymore.

 

You should have a gun and carry it when and wherever it is legal to do so. To hell with store policy.

Any man who is not willing to defend his life, does not deserve to live. Nature's law.

 

OK, so get a gun and carry it. That doesn't mean the best course of action is to try and get in a shootout with 3 armed bad guys who have the drop on you.

Heck I consider $60 worth the price to not have to take a trip down town for having shot 3 guys.

 

Well, I didn't get to talk to Brian last night. He opted to take a few days off(and with the number of drivers in the store last night, I wish I'd done the same thing). I guess he's still dealing with having a gun in his face.

Since I don't carry concealed, I have no idea how it affects your personality. Does the fact that you have a gun shoved in your waistband cause you to exude more confidence? I think the best course of action is to simply be aware of the surroundings. We do have some protectons in place that we're supposed to follow: Don't walk up to an unlit house. Don't leave your vehicle if the neighborhood looks strange(subjective, of course). Just pay attention to your surroundings. Maybe it takes an occasional robbery to cause the rest of us to learn from it?

The first part I agree with. Yes, it's only a part time job and the only reason I still do it is because it keeps a few dollars in my pocket. I don't really need the job. However, the last part of the post suggests that I should draw down on someone that already has a gun pointed at me. How smart is that? The smartest thing any driver can do is to not get into the situation to begin with. Short of that, the next best thing is to stay alive and unhurt.

 

Not necessarily, but it does serve as a reminder to not let your guard down and to be aware of your surroundings.

 

Exactly. Unless you have had some training on drawing and firing, and got it down to muscle memory, don't bother.

I've always been told that action is always faster than reaction, which goes with what you said in a previous post. You react to them when they first catch out off guard and begin to rob you, but everything after that should be them reacting to you.

First and foremost though, just give em the money like Brian did.

If you feel like they will harm you anyway, then in my opinion, immediately after the money leaves your hand and is in his hand, is the time to act.

Violence of action is key.

 

When you get your CHL, you are immediately held to a higher standard and have a greater responsibility put upon you. A responsibility to do everything in your power to NOT have to draw that weapon, to do anything you can to deescalate the situation non-violently, and do everything you can to keep yourself OUT of situations that could end poorly (like walking down an alley at night). Because once that weapon is drawn, there's no turning back. If you draw it and don't fire, you have officially "broken" the law, because it is no longer concealed and you're brandishing a weapon.

 

If you draw, you fire.
I've had my handgun for 35 years. It holds 18 rounds of 9 X19mm.
I may not hit with every round but I guarantee that whomever I'm unloading my gun at will be deciding if they really, really want to hang around.
My H&K VP70 is a double action auto so I can keep one in the chamber safely.
No need to chamber a round; simply point and squeeze.
BTW, I carry 2 extra magazines. 55 rounds is a heck of a lot of lead.
And yes the muscle memory is there.

 

If you need more than 55 rounds you are doing something seriously wrong, or you're in a world of pain

 

If you are un-armed, COMPLY with whatever the CRIMINAL(s) demand.



I was robbed at gunpoint, when I was 18. (Yes, when dinosaurs roamed the earth!) I worked 2 p.m. - midnight, at a Shell service station.
That .38 snubnosed revolver looked like a 30 gallon trashcan, shoved into my face.

What bothered me the most. . . the owner of the station told me that he was deducting the $$$ from my pay, because I didn't fight the guy.
(Oh yeah. Real even odds, there. One guy with a gun and sweating basketballs. . . one guy standing there with said gun shoved into his nose!) Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I quit the next day.



My oldest daughter was robbed, along with several other employees at the cellphone provider, she worked at. This was a week before Christmas, two years ago. (She quit last week. That's another story.)
There's a video of the sphincter muscle pointing a pistol at her face, and racking the slide.
He demanded that the manager open the safe, and give him the $$$, or he'd kill my daughter.
That guy got $13,000.00! (He's still not been caught.)
This cellphone provider has a NO WEAPONS policy.
My daughter sucessfully applied for and got a Maryland Concealed Carry Permit.
(She carried every day/night that she worked, after she got her permit!)
She carried a S&W mdl 3913 (9mm), stoked w/ Federal 9BPLE 115 gr +P+ JHP.


Remember. . . Concealed means CONCEALED!!!!!

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. . . interesting concept.

Outnumbered. Take on armed thugs. Die. Nature's law????

I disagree.

I didn't live to be this old, being stoopid.

 

Just a snippet of the robbery:

Domino's Pizza delivery driver robbed at gunpoint in Virginia Beach - WTKR

I haven't talked to Brian, but I have heard that he's suspended pending an internal investigation. I can sort of see why they'd want to do an investigation when someone claims to have been robbed. However, at this time, I don't know if the company is deciding on disciplinary actions. I trained the driver. He knows to drop his money after each run. He didn't do it. I told him several times that he's supposed to drop his money. If you only have your bank on your person, that's all a thief can take. He lost all of his tips for the day. There's no way to reimburse him for that loss. They should, however, reimburse the loss of his bank ($20). The only people that work 'double shifts' are managers. I have worked 10+ hours in a day, but never a full double shift, and the robbery happened around 6pm, meaning Brian would have been on the clock for no more than 8 hours at the time, and would have been going home in another hour or so. I don't know the full story, yet. What I do know is that I have a much more heightened sense of my surroundings and I no longer carry my wallet with me, just my license and my bank.

If you watch the video, you'll hear them mention 'the Green Run Area.' A little history lesson for you all: Plaxico Burress went to high school at Green Run High. We've long called it "Gang Run." Probably the only bad area we deliver in.

 

Personally - my take on it is that a perp with a knife is easily five times more dangerous than the same clown with a gun.

1) It makes a far more nasty wound in many respects.
2) The perp will be far more inclined to use it - as if it were less criminal
3) A knife never misfires or jams
4) Knives never run out of ammunition
5) AIM is less critical with a knife. A fool can use one... (QED)

 

I think that the reason most companies don't want someone to carry, not only from a liability standpoint, but simple bean counter facts. Somebody has gone in a figured that your odds of being OK is far better without the gun than with it. Especially if they already have the drop on you. In this case with three of them you might get the one, but what if the reaction of the other two is too pull the trigger even though they might not have planned to? Just a simple reaction. Sorry but it is going to take a lot more than $60. for me to try my luck against three armed ones especially if it isn't my money and they tell me not to carry.