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Cargo Master
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From: Frequently frozen MN
Not Good News
At least not in my opinion.
Many cars today have Electronic Data Recorders. Customers are 'notified' about them in the owner's manual (RTFM).
But, starting in 2013, it seems that all cars will be required to have EDRs that conform to federal standards. These standards include providing specific information when a crash is detected.
All in the name of collecting generic safety data.
However, there is speculation that insurers will want that data -- some companies are already encouraging this by offering discounts for people that will use data monitoring for some period of time.
The bigger issue (to me) is that some states are already using this data in crash investigations. Some states prohibit this practice, but others allow it.
The only upside is that standardizes EDRs will hopefully be tested for reliability and accuracy. This might not be as true for the devices out there today. They were originally put in there by manufacturers for their own programs - e.g. OnStar. I'm sure that the companies tested them, but probably not with the thought that they would be used as evidence.
I'm posting here rather than the club because I think that this is of general interest.
hj
Many cars today have Electronic Data Recorders. Customers are 'notified' about them in the owner's manual (RTFM).
But, starting in 2013, it seems that all cars will be required to have EDRs that conform to federal standards. These standards include providing specific information when a crash is detected.
All in the name of collecting generic safety data.
However, there is speculation that insurers will want that data -- some companies are already encouraging this by offering discounts for people that will use data monitoring for some period of time.
The bigger issue (to me) is that some states are already using this data in crash investigations. Some states prohibit this practice, but others allow it.
The only upside is that standardizes EDRs will hopefully be tested for reliability and accuracy. This might not be as true for the devices out there today. They were originally put in there by manufacturers for their own programs - e.g. OnStar. I'm sure that the companies tested them, but probably not with the thought that they would be used as evidence.
I'm posting here rather than the club because I think that this is of general interest.
hj
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From: Lake City, FL
Well then
Those of us with older cars should not have to worry to much about this becaue we dont have computers to hook something like this up. Besides which I would to see some government puke try to figures out how to add a computer to my truck.
Last edited by Old Reliable; Nov 16, 2011 at 04:38 PM. Reason: Missed a word
Posting Guru
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From: Tempe
if the GOV is going to try and put a computer in my truck it will take them FOREVER to figure out how and i would DEMAND they restore it as well. if they can shell out the cash to put circuts, sensors, computers they can shell out the cash to put it in brand new condition
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From: Lake City, FL
Uhh... Gee.. I dont know what is "wrong with us guys"
Sorry I see what I missed, I was trying to point out that they dont retro fit cars, I have since edited my previous post to reflect that. Please re- read my post as it makes more sense now. thank you
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Hotshot
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If they are planning to use it for crash data , I don't see a problem with that at all . In the end it , it "could help " us ..
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From: Lake City, FL
I think that the problem lies in the insurances companies possibly getting thier hands on it. If the insurances companies get a hold of it, they may decide that they dont like certain driving habits, like fast starts, speeding, etc.. and thus jack the rates up. Personnally I dont like because this is another way for teh government to get into my life. How much of a step is it from this to cars that are tracked by teh government and GPS locators and computer ships in people, all in the name of public safety, but in reality just more ways fro the government to be in our lives.
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Really what is going to change....if you are involved in an accident and you have a witness what is going to change the outcome? Fine, they pull out of the "black box" that you were speeding?
Sorry..at the end of the day you were speeding. If someone cuts infront of you and you t-bone them....well...I hope you have a good witness. Cause at the end of day...they will still help you more that a black box will.
Sorry..at the end of the day you were speeding. If someone cuts infront of you and you t-bone them....well...I hope you have a good witness. Cause at the end of day...they will still help you more that a black box will.
Hotshot
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From: Long Beach, Ms.
Every new vehicle has a "Black Box".
The ECM or PCM or whatever it is called uses the information from the vehicle sensors to manage everything.
That information is kept in a form of memory within the module.
It updates as the vehicle management parameters change. Including such variables as acceleration, braking or airbag deployment.
The last data capture is available for download at anytime including the aftermath of a collision.
The ECM or PCM or whatever it is called uses the information from the vehicle sensors to manage everything.
That information is kept in a form of memory within the module.
It updates as the vehicle management parameters change. Including such variables as acceleration, braking or airbag deployment.
The last data capture is available for download at anytime including the aftermath of a collision.
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No good news here, but the data recorder tells the tale:
Coroner: Teen Driver in Wyo. Crash Wanted to Die - ABC News
IMO if you are all worked up about these recorders, you have too much time on your hands, or you have something to hide.
Coroner: Teen Driver in Wyo. Crash Wanted to Die - ABC News
IMO if you are all worked up about these recorders, you have too much time on your hands, or you have something to hide.
Post Fiend
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From: Bonita Springs FL
I'm generally against the "I have nothing to hide" mentality that people seem to have about civil liberties issues. But then again I'm not sure this is a civil liberties issue any more than traffic cams, street corner cams, or any kind of surveillance cam are.
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Debate rages:
3rd Floor: SCOTUS Looks at GPS and Law Enforcement
Oddly, privacy wins here:
FourthAmendment.com - Post details: SCOTUS: Search incident for driving on a suspended license violates Fourth Amendment: Arizona v. Gant; Belton limited like it should be
By state and other info:
Event Data Recorder ("Black Box") Legislation 2008
Postmaster
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From: SE Wyoming
No good news here, but the data recorder tells the tale:
Coroner: Teen Driver in Wyo. Crash Wanted to Die - ABC News
IMO if you are all worked up about these recorders, you have too much time on your hands, or you have something to hide.
Coroner: Teen Driver in Wyo. Crash Wanted to Die - ABC News
IMO if you are all worked up about these recorders, you have too much time on your hands, or you have something to hide.
I think the gvt. has too much time and too much of OUR money on their hands.