Titan + HPFP failure
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i agree with CRAZY. But Rick also stated that he never used an additive so his fuel was just normal diesel. I can see if you used an emulsifier additive which will coat the water and send it through the pump. Also, the OP is right as well. The Titan tank will hold water in the top, I have felt up there before. Another thing is the Titan tank with the check valve vent will create a negative pressure because the check valve they used is rate at 0.5PSI before it opens.
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I suspected the "aftermarket" tnk might of had a play in the whole situation,,when I spoke with Rick on the Phone he said Ford never even brought it up. But I wasn't there and just going by what Rick said. It does say on the 6.7 diesel pamplet that aftermarket Feul tanks are not advised and could possibly cause water in diesel. From what I remember reading.
Either way,,,no more HPFP failures are being reported......If someome can find another one, now it brings up the question of finding one,HPFP failure, WITHOUT aftermarket Diesel Tank added.
Interesting.....
Shane
Either way,,,no more HPFP failures are being reported......If someome can find another one, now it brings up the question of finding one,HPFP failure, WITHOUT aftermarket Diesel Tank added.
Interesting.....
Shane
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I'll tell you all what - I was at Lowes today. For some reason they had cases of mason jars on sale so I bought one. When I got home I filled it by opening the DFCM's petcock. I put a date on it and set it on the shelf. I'll go through the dozen jars and then recycle.
Why you may ask? I can't explain how 'in' I am with my dealer's service department. Yet, when I brought up this HPFP issue with the: dealer group's VP, the dealer's service director, and the dealer's heavy truck service director all I hear is one major hedge regarding warranty service and fuel contamination. It's not the dealer to be sure, but it was carefully explained that in this economic climate, Ford is doing everything they can to save and that includes claims arising from misfueling.
Remember, this is coming from a guy who just got rid of his *supercharged* Navigator that never had an issue getting warranty service. Perhaps it's just my sensitivity and the fact I dropped sixty large and cannot *guarantee* that I won't be facing an additional 10K in on warranty repairs.
Why you may ask? I can't explain how 'in' I am with my dealer's service department. Yet, when I brought up this HPFP issue with the: dealer group's VP, the dealer's service director, and the dealer's heavy truck service director all I hear is one major hedge regarding warranty service and fuel contamination. It's not the dealer to be sure, but it was carefully explained that in this economic climate, Ford is doing everything they can to save and that includes claims arising from misfueling.
Remember, this is coming from a guy who just got rid of his *supercharged* Navigator that never had an issue getting warranty service. Perhaps it's just my sensitivity and the fact I dropped sixty large and cannot *guarantee* that I won't be facing an additional 10K in on warranty repairs.
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Unless I'm mistaken, the WIF light is triggered by the sensor in the water separator and that has been described as having to hold several ounces of water before the water makes contact with the sensor contacts. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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You're exactly right. Rick told me that he was able to keep the DFCM because that was replaced when his HPFP was. He tested it out and found that it took, if I remember right, nearly 8 ounces of water to trip the sensor.
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8oz?? Wow that would be hard to miss if you drained out 8oz of water into a cup or bottle. That much water would really stand out .
If you had 8oz of water, your entire inner filter would be water. That filter just isn't that large.
If you had 8oz of water, your entire inner filter would be water. That filter just isn't that large.
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"I am learning a very painful and expensive lesson. Short story, I bought some bad fuel at a BP, and now Ford says I owe them $11,000+ to make my truck run. BP says "prove it" that I got it from them and not someone else. The sad thing is, my 6 month old truck is a replacement for a 2010 lemon f-350 that would just shut of for no reason and not restart."
Per you link....Whats your point?
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Not a HPFP failure as to Fords Fault/......
"I am learning a very painful and expensive lesson. Short story, I bought some bad fuel at a BP, and now Ford says I owe them $11,000+ to make my truck run. BP says "prove it" that I got it from them and not someone else. The sad thing is, my 6 month old truck is a replacement for a 2010 lemon f-350 that would just shut of for no reason and not restart."
Per you link....Whats your point?
SHane
"I am learning a very painful and expensive lesson. Short story, I bought some bad fuel at a BP, and now Ford says I owe them $11,000+ to make my truck run. BP says "prove it" that I got it from them and not someone else. The sad thing is, my 6 month old truck is a replacement for a 2010 lemon f-350 that would just shut of for no reason and not restart."
Per you link....Whats your point?
SHane
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This, from the post on PSD Forum is interesting. If the light the engineer is referring to is the WIF light, how does that compare to what is in our manuals regarding the WIF? Should we adopt a plan of stopping whenever the WIF light comes on and calling for a tow? I think I will. I'm also going to get the name of the engineer that said this to the OP and keep it with the printed posts in my truck.
"he"..in this quote refers to the Ford Diesel engineer.
"He says the DFCM is only for condensation, and that I should have stopped the truck immediately when I saw the light and had it towed in, then I would have ONLY had to pay for the tow and the CLEANING of the fuel system, not replacement of it."
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I suspected the "aftermarket" tnk might of had a play in the whole situation,,when I spoke with Rick on the Phone he said Ford never even brought it up. But I wasn't there and just going by what Rick said. It does say on the 6.7 diesel pamplet that aftermarket Feul tanks are not advised and could possibly cause water in diesel. From what I remember reading.
Either way,,,no more HPFP failures are being reported......If someome can find another one, now it brings up the question of finding one,HPFP failure, WITHOUT aftermarket Diesel Tank added.
Interesting.....
Shane
Either way,,,no more HPFP failures are being reported......If someome can find another one, now it brings up the question of finding one,HPFP failure, WITHOUT aftermarket Diesel Tank added.
Interesting.....
Shane
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