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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 09:18 AM
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HPFP Lubricity

I just spent a lot of reading on a Google search for "Diesel Fuel quality at the pump". What I discovered is that everything from Dirt to Algea might be in there. So now my head is spinning, but interesting were the suggestions for additives. I read one topic that indicated VW recommended Standadyne lubricity additive to improve the fuel (Bosche pump). Anyway, it appeared to me that winter blended fuel, Ultra Low sulpher content, sitting in storage for a long time, bacteria growing etc may cause more wear and an additive that includes lubricant may be a good idea as added insurance against pump failure. Not suggesting anything else. I did read all 100+ discussions on the topic. I ordered some well known additive with lube to put in during the winter. I am interested though in any body elses input concering how to combat our lack of control over fuel quality and what one could do in addition to changing fuel filters often.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 09:26 AM
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Ford's PM-22 & PM-23 are good enough for me. Beyond that I'm just going to drive, maintain and enjoy the hell out of my truck!
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 12:10 PM
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The whole HPFP failure saga was tiresome but interesting nonetheless. My takeaways were three things:

- Use a fuel additive to improve lubricity
- Drain your water separator monthly
- Be careful about your servicing dealer if you ever suspect fuel issues

There is some good info on diesel fuel quality generally available in the US distribution system and it confirms that a lack of lubricity and possibility of water continue to be a risk for modern high pressure fuel systems. We are truly living in a time where the EPA mandated ULSD fuel standards have been met by refiners but the auto manufacturers and technology in general are having a hard time keeping up. Ignoring the possibility of a manufacturing defect, the HP fuel system is running at the edge of design tolerances and it doesn't take much to end up with a problem.

We can easily add lubricity on our own and drain the separator but the very presence of bio-diesel which has a water emulsifying effect means that anyone who uses it risks some water into the system. Since current technology says not to let ANY water get to the HPFP, there's not much that the consumer can do.

I get philosophical at this point. We are enjoying cutting edge power and performance in our trucks but fuels and technologies are rapidly changing. What is a problem today simply won't be in ten years. For me, I do what I can to mitigate life's risks and try not to worry about things I can't control. I have a plan for the three issues above and won't worry about statistically irrelevant issues.

Oh, and by the way, I confirmed my car insurance policy covers damage caused by WIF.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by EpicCowlick
The whole HPFP failure saga was tiresome but interesting nonetheless. My takeaways were three things:

- Use a fuel additive to improve lubricity
- Drain your water separator monthly
- Be careful about your servicing dealer if you ever suspect fuel issues

There is some good info on diesel fuel quality generally available in the US distribution system and it confirms that a lack of lubricity and possibility of water continue to be a risk for modern high pressure fuel systems. We are truly living in a time where the EPA mandated ULSD fuel standards have been met by refiners but the auto manufacturers and technology in general are having a hard time keeping up. Ignoring the possibility of a manufacturing defect, the HP fuel system is running at the edge of design tolerances and it doesn't take much to end up with a problem.

We can easily add lubricity on our own and drain the separator but the very presence of bio-diesel which has a water emulsifying effect means that anyone who uses it risks some water into the system. Since current technology says not to let ANY water get to the HPFP, there's not much that the consumer can do.

I get philosophical at this point. We are enjoying cutting edge power and performance in our trucks but fuels and technologies are rapidly changing. What is a problem today simply won't be in ten years. For me, I do what I can to mitigate life's risks and try not to worry about things I can't control. I have a plan for the three issues above and won't worry about statistically irrelevant issues.

Oh, and by the way, I confirmed my car insurance policy covers damage caused by WIF.
From one heterosexual man to another..."I love you Epic!"

I am thinking about leaving my Superduty to you in my will...I know it would be in better hands with you then most people!
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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From one heterosexual man to another...
If you feel the need to preface your post with this, you already doubt yourself!
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Big-Sarge
From one heterosexual man to another..."I love you Epic!"

I am thinking about leaving my Superduty to you in my will...I know it would be in better hands with you then most people!
Thanks Sarge..lol... I kind of cinched up a bit when I started reading that but I know you better.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 03:12 PM
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Listen with all this HPFP "Doom and Gloom" this FTE forum needs all the "Love" it can get!
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by EpicCowlick
The whole HPFP failure saga was tiresome but interesting nonetheless. My takeaways were three things:

- Use a fuel additive to improve lubricity
- Drain your water separator monthly
- Be careful about your servicing dealer if you ever suspect fuel issues
I would add, as others have said on this post, . . . Buy your diesel at a high volumn dealer, and Fill up when the tank is one-half full.
The only question I have is "what fuel additive to use?" I am using Ford's PM 22A since it is recommended by Ford.

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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kabur66
I would add, as others have said on this post, . . . Buy your diesel at a high volumn dealer, and Fill up when the tank is one-half full.
The only question I have is "what fuel additive to use?" I am using Ford's PM 22A since it is recommended by Ford.
I'm using Power Service Diesel Kleen in the gray bottle. Some people are concerned that using a non-motorcraft fluid will risk the warranty but I don't think that is a worry. If so, you'd have to make the same argument for engine oil or any other service part. I use it because it provides a healthy cetane boost and lubricity and it's widely available. If I ever need to use another reputable product for any reason, I wouldn't hesitate.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EpicCowlick
I'm using Power Service Diesel Kleen in the gray bottle. Some people are concerned that using a non-motorcraft fluid will risk the warranty but I don't think that is a worry. If so, you'd have to make the same argument for engine oil or any other service part. I use it because it provides a healthy cetane boost and lubricity and it's widely available. If I ever need to use another reputable product for any reason, I wouldn't hesitate.
I've used Diesel Kleen since 2004.I haven't had any problems with it in my truck...But then again the 6.0 is a different animal from the 6.7.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 07:25 PM
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I'm thinking of ordering some of this Lubricity Formula - Stanadyne. The stuff one of the articles I read, indicated VW recommended for thier diesel Das Autos. Not that has anything to with Ford trucks. Epic, LOVED yur video on the oil change and I fell in love with the oil pan plug/screw/device. Way cool.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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lubricity

mines a 6.0 with 212,000 miles, i use stanadyne cetane booster(4 oz's per fillup)and wallyworld ashless tech-3 2 strokeoil(4 oz,s) per fillup.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 07:47 PM
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I use a strange mix that has served me well over the years. However, I am assuming that the mix has helped, I have no way of proving or disproving it. I use it in both my F250 and my diesel farm equipment.

My winter mix for my 2011 F250 and average fill up of ~20 gallons is: 4 oz Diesel Kleen in the white bottle for some lubricity and anti-gel. 4 oz Amsoil Diesel Fuel Concentrate for lubricity, and 4 oz Ford Cetane for the obvious. I mix this in old 16 oz Diesel Kleen containers and then put the whole concoction in the tank every fill up. I make up four or five bottles at a time and leave them in the bed of the truck in an sealed container.

My summer mix is the same as above minus the Diesel Kleen white bottle. I have absolutely no scientific evidence that this is giving me any benefit other than peace of mind. However I do believe it is making a small difference in the fuel mileage along with adding back lubricity where the ULSD removed it.

My 2011 F250 is too new and low mileage / hours to know if this helps or not. I do know that all my diesel farm equipment is still running with high hours without any injector or injector pump issues. I have a New Holland tractor that just passed 5,000 hours of service, another New Holland tractor with 2,400 hours of service, and an older Allis-Chalmers with 3,200 hours of service.
 
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