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For a bad HPOP , or an ICP ? I'm getting ready to drop a chuck O change and if it comes back with the stumble / surge I'm gonna GOOGLE insurance fraud ..... But seriously I need this issue gone for mental stability sake.
Work I've got lined up for now (Head Gasket , arp studs, EGR delete, factory cooler , turbo cleaning,and possibly injectors ?) can't decide if I want to do them all while it's apart or save the cash and have them diagnosed and replace each on an as needed basis?
Basically I'm going broke on this repair , so need to cover all basis cause if I don't catch it this shot I'm getting divorced or walkin......
Work I've got lined up for now (Head Gasket , arp studs, EGR delete, factory cooler , turbo cleaning,and possibly injectors ?) can't decide if I want to do them all while it's apart or save the cash and have them diagnosed and replace each on an as needed basis?
Basically I'm going broke on this repair , so need to cover all basis cause if I don't catch it this shot I'm getting divorced or walkin......
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I'm all over the place but trying to give all pertinent intel....
No CEL, and only codes were PO403,PO405,PO407.
Replaced EBP sensor and plugged EGR back in Thurs. On the way home stumble / surge came back (worse) with strong smell of coolant in the cab , bubbling degas bottle / purging from the cap , pulled the EGR valve to find wetish looking sludge in the intake , no noticeable steam or smoke from the pipe , and never a cold or hot start problem ?
Just the dreaded stumble / surging along with the coolant boiling , EGR deal ????
Not trying to stack threads guys just getting sidetracked with what I'm trying to figure out and the search feature doesn't work on the mobile site!
Appreciate any Info you can shoot my way !
No CEL, and only codes were PO403,PO405,PO407.
Replaced EBP sensor and plugged EGR back in Thurs. On the way home stumble / surge came back (worse) with strong smell of coolant in the cab , bubbling degas bottle / purging from the cap , pulled the EGR valve to find wetish looking sludge in the intake , no noticeable steam or smoke from the pipe , and never a cold or hot start problem ?
Just the dreaded stumble / surging along with the coolant boiling , EGR deal ????
Not trying to stack threads guys just getting sidetracked with what I'm trying to figure out and the search feature doesn't work on the mobile site!
Appreciate any Info you can shoot my way !
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your second post makes more sense I see your issue now
sounds like your EGR cooler is BLOWN so you do need an oil cooler and EGR cooler
the EGR cooler is probably causing your coolant puke issues/boiling a bad oil cooler would cause these things too
if it were me Id throw a new oil cooler at it BPD EGR cooler and new egr valve at it and go from there
the head gaskets maybe OK a compression test would confirm so you maynot need ARP studs right now if its not in the budget
sounds like your EGR cooler is BLOWN so you do need an oil cooler and EGR cooler
the EGR cooler is probably causing your coolant puke issues/boiling a bad oil cooler would cause these things too
if it were me Id throw a new oil cooler at it BPD EGR cooler and new egr valve at it and go from there
the head gaskets maybe OK a compression test would confirm so you maynot need ARP studs right now if its not in the budget
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I'm with Benny. You can always come back and do the injectors later yourself (if I can do 'em, anyone can). Blown head gaskets have other symptoms that I'm not familiar with. But I'm sure someone will chime in on the probability of a head gasket issue. Coolant out the degas bottle could simply be because it's too full. My truck is healthy and I still clean up coolant every once in a while - probably a bad cap.
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Is a shop telling you you need all of those parts
Because I cant see ALL of that stuff you have listed in the first post going Bad All at Once
are you mechanicaly inclined you could do some of this work and cut the price in half
Iv done Alot of what you have listed with all the Great Guys on here and the Tech Folder IT CAN BE DONE IMO
Because I cant see ALL of that stuff you have listed in the first post going Bad All at Once
are you mechanicaly inclined you could do some of this work and cut the price in half
Iv done Alot of what you have listed with all the Great Guys on here and the Tech Folder IT CAN BE DONE IMO
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Thanks for the replies fellas !
No I'm not being told I need all of that but what I'm being told is that the EGR is done which of coarse means the oil cooler. With that said as far as the head gasket / studs I'm being told it's not if but when, so that's more of a preemptive strike if it's not bad already. $2500 for that work doesn't strike me as outrageous.
Where I'm really having a tough time is that the EGR issue nor the head gasket address my surge/stumble?
So where I'm at is if I'm doing the EGR / headgasket w/studs as almost an afterthought or maintenance item .... I don't want to drive it home with my original problem if that makes sense? Id like to kill as many birds with the one stone ($$) as possible so that I can stack labor so to speak?
Thanks guys !
No I'm not being told I need all of that but what I'm being told is that the EGR is done which of coarse means the oil cooler. With that said as far as the head gasket / studs I'm being told it's not if but when, so that's more of a preemptive strike if it's not bad already. $2500 for that work doesn't strike me as outrageous.
Where I'm really having a tough time is that the EGR issue nor the head gasket address my surge/stumble?
So where I'm at is if I'm doing the EGR / headgasket w/studs as almost an afterthought or maintenance item .... I don't want to drive it home with my original problem if that makes sense? Id like to kill as many birds with the one stone ($$) as possible so that I can stack labor so to speak?
Thanks guys !
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I hear ya on the labor end of it
Your stumble/surge could be a few diffrent things IMO
ICP sensor comes to mind
I saw your other thread on it did it run better when you unplugged your ICP sensor
could also be a turbo issue or maybe even IPR problem,Map sensor, Ebp sensor hard to say
do you have any gauges
IMO on the headbolts there fine as long as you dont put a tunner on it and let it warm up to operating temp before you go to hard on the go pedal
but Studs probably a good idea if you Tow alot or want to run a tunner
Your stumble/surge could be a few diffrent things IMO
ICP sensor comes to mind
I saw your other thread on it did it run better when you unplugged your ICP sensor
could also be a turbo issue or maybe even IPR problem,Map sensor, Ebp sensor hard to say
do you have any gauges
IMO on the headbolts there fine as long as you dont put a tunner on it and let it warm up to operating temp before you go to hard on the go pedal
but Studs probably a good idea if you Tow alot or want to run a tunner
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Never ran with the ICP unplugged , just the EGR , still had the stumble with the EGR unplugged. EBP replaced Thurs. Stumble still there.... No gauges , and I am putting an SCT livewire on it once the work is done. Up until now , bone stock....
Thanks for the input this far ! Anymore is appreciated on my stumble issue ;-)
Thanks for the input this far ! Anymore is appreciated on my stumble issue ;-)
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Also... Keeping in mind the only 3 codes I've had to date are (PO403,405,407) from my understanding are all linked to the unplugged EGR and EBP sensor can I rule out the ICP because I didn't get a code ? What would my next logical check be ?
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NTD.... The degas puking.... No coolant added so not overfilled and I've watched it like a hawk since I bought the truck due to it being an issue.... The puking/ bubbling and coolant smell in the cab coincided with the EBP replace and plugging the EGR back in.
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classic EGR cooler blown then
go out and buy a Scangauge II. Select EOT and FW temps and monitor them while driving around.
Before you spend a dime, do this. You probably have a plugged oil cooler. Confirm this and fix the problems you have. All the stuff in your list is going to fix the issue...but you are likely fixing stuff above and beyond what is needed
go out and buy a Scangauge II. Select EOT and FW temps and monitor them while driving around.
Before you spend a dime, do this. You probably have a plugged oil cooler. Confirm this and fix the problems you have. All the stuff in your list is going to fix the issue...but you are likely fixing stuff above and beyond what is needed
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classic EGR cooler blown then
go out and buy a Scangauge II. Select EOT and FW temps and monitor them while driving around.
Before you spend a dime, do this. You probably have a plugged oil cooler. Confirm this and fix the problems you have. All the stuff in your list is going to fix the issue...but you are likely fixing stuff above and beyond what is needed
go out and buy a Scangauge II. Select EOT and FW temps and monitor them while driving around.
Before you spend a dime, do this. You probably have a plugged oil cooler. Confirm this and fix the problems you have. All the stuff in your list is going to fix the issue...but you are likely fixing stuff above and beyond what is needed
Interesting ! Will a SCT Livewire give me those to readings as well ? I'm going to get that no matter what repairs I do so I'll kill 2 w/1 and not drop the money for the scanguage ?
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IDK what sct livewire will get
but scangauge gets a ton of stuff Well Worth it IMHO
But with your Stumble/miss you may need to get a cylinder balance test which SG is not capable of
Auto Enginuty will do a cylinder balace test and a bunch of other tests so it will check out the injectors
Lots Of Possibilities with a Stumble/Miss/Surge
unplug the ICP and see if Surge stiill there
but scangauge gets a ton of stuff Well Worth it IMHO
But with your Stumble/miss you may need to get a cylinder balance test which SG is not capable of
Auto Enginuty will do a cylinder balace test and a bunch of other tests so it will check out the injectors
Lots Of Possibilities with a Stumble/Miss/Surge
unplug the ICP and see if Surge stiill there
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From what I've read about it, NO. Before you get a tuner, you really need some gauges!! The ScanGauge would be the least expensive that gives you the required ones you NEED to monitor.