Sorry guys, I'm sure there is info on here, but I'm having a tough time searching and finding any answers.

After 118,000 good miles on my '06 6.0, I'm interested in a '12. My dealer says that I won't like the turbo lag on the cab and chassis pickups, and they are 90hp less......then today the service dept. said they have had little-to-no trouble with the regular bed 6.7's, but 2 cab and chassis pickups have had turbo issues...one ingested parts and may need a new motor.

I'm a farmer and I want to step up to a cab and chassis so I can trade for less money, don't have to deal with regular bed swaps, little extra length of the bed, etc....I trust my dealer and they are very honest...obviously since the salesman told me to talk to the service dept. before I ordered anything. Is this an isolated problem?

Also, he says a mechanic that went for training on the 6.7 said that the instructor said there is talk of the Job 2 2012 cab and chassis pickups having the bigger wastegated turbo....but he has seen no literature on it......

 

Everything I have read of the 6.7 having issues, was in C&C setups.

How accurate that info is, what percentage of total issues it is based off of, I dont know, but is thus far, enough of a reason that I would be overly cautious about a C&C.

 

+ 1, I have also READ that the C&C models are the ones with problems. I know the rest of us with regular pickups have had good reliability, besides me blowing out a t case and breaking my fuel and water seperator my truck runs great, I have owned it for right at 1 year now.

 

This information, offered by your dealer, should give you some good negotiating power. If they are even concerned they should step up and find out for sure to help sell a new truck, and more importantly to keep you satisfied as their customer.

If they still have concerns ask them to help you make the purchase and provide an extended warranty for no cost, or AT LEAST for what they actually pay Ford for it, which is probably around 25%-33% of what they try to sell it for. I can't be certain of that percentage that's just my OPINION so please just check/ask, or possibly someone else will also offer some advice on that.

 

Thanks for the input guys. I live in western Oklahoma, in the middle of oilfield country, and I know the pickups that have had problems were oilfield pickups. My salesman is trying to look out for me, but I know that there is a good chance that the pickups in question were drove extremely hard. I don't want that to influence my decision. I knew I could get straight answers on here though!

 

i am a owner of a 2011 job 1 c&c F350 i have only had the water pump replace and its got 30,000 miles and has pulled heavy loads with it. And it dose have a lil lag on the turbo but nothing like a 6.0

 

Thanks deeds, what kind of bed do you have and what do you do with your pickup? I usually don't tow a lot of weight, and if I do it's short distance at slow speeds. I normally move a lot of hay, so I'm testing the suspension more than I am testing the pulling power of the pickup. Bouncing through pastures with 1500-3500lbs on the bed can take a toll on the springs. My dealer expressed concern with stall in soft ground, mud, ditches, etc. He has sold a couple C&C pickups to guys that farm in sand, and they aren't happy with them. They say that from a dead stop they can't get them to even slip a tire when they are in loose sand. I also don't personally know the guys or what they expect out of a pickup......I know i baby my equipment way more than the majority of people I am around.

 

Hey Ramsey,

I have a chassis cab with Hillsboro bed, and love it. I've read about the turbo lag, but if I have it I don't know it. Like I've said on this forum before, I drive like an old grandma and at 63 I'm not going to change. I only use my truck to pull my 5th wheel, just returning to Kansas from California for three months. I have 9800 miles on truck now and it has been great.

I live 15 miles inside the Kansas border so if you'd like to see my setup I may not be far from you. The guy that made my toolboxes is a genius in aluminum the hinges even have gease zerts on them. RDS built my fuel tank, and I installed Airtex pump, Wix filter/separator and AutoMeter fuel gauge. All this is wired to upfitter #4.

I thought I might miss the extra hp of the pickup version. That hasn't happened. This truck outpulls my 04 6.0 with the same 5th wheel even though it is actually 25 hp less. So, I don't understand the hp figures, but this truck pulls the same load with MUCH LESS effort. I have the 4.10 LS rearend. Knowing what I know now I would not change a thing if I was to order another truck.

If I can provide any more info don't hesitate to let me know. By the way the seats are much more comfortable on the long trips than the 04. Good luck with your decision. Send me a private message and we can correspond further on this issue if you want.

Jim

 

Hi Jim,

Just wanted to comment on the HP comparison between the 6.7L and 6.0L. Both engines are rated for max horsepower at 2,800 and 3,300 RPM respectively. How often to you see those RPMs? Your driving seems to be pretty laid back, and therefore you likely are seeing the higher torque peak of the 6.7L more than you would the lower HP peak.

Mash the pedal to the floor and your 6.0L will out-pull the 6.7L by a very little bit. But how often do you do this?

 

Hi Tom,

Yeah you're right my driving style is laid back. I've never even had my truck over 70 mph. I drive 60 empty and loaded. 60 mph on the truck with the 5er is 1800 rpm and it stays there for 500 miles every day until we get to California. I don't know what the 6.0 would have done if I mashed it to the floor, and I'll never know what this one would do either. However this truck RARELY ever gets out of 6th when towing. My 6.0 downshifted every overpass I came to. It didn't seem to hurt the truck but it annoyed me. I just put this one in DRIVE and it just pulls like crazy. I guess the guys with the 400 hp engines pull more weight and drive faster than I do, but I sure have all the engine I will ever use.

Jim

 

This makes sense now, Jim! If you've never driven at wide open throttle, you have never experienced the power increase the 6.0L has over the 6.7L. This is because for the RPM range you keep your truck in, the 6.7L makes more torque...which means more POWER RPM for RPM. Until the 6.0L spins at 2,800+ RPMs it's always making less HP than your 6.7L.

So for your use the 6.7L does have more power. Simply because you never enter "peak" power.

 

Ramsey, I don't know what broken parts are peculiar to the chassis/cabs. There doesn't seem to be many of us c/c owners here. I kinda wish we had a spot here just for our particular trucks. My dealer sells quite a few c/c's particularly ones equipped with steel beds and electro/hydraulic hay hooks. It seems he always has one on hand. I guess the next time I run in to him I'll ask him what parts to expect to be breaking on my truck. But for now everything is wonderful. It sounds like my truck's use is different than what you will be doing. I didn't even want 4WD. Best of luck to you with your choice.

Jim

 

I too have a CC, meaning crew cab, not cab and chassis. I have a consideable and annoying lag when I mash the pedal. By mash the pedal, I mean anything faster than a slow press. When I do, it takes a full 3 seconds to respond. By second I mean 1 mississippi 2 etc... That's a lifetime when your trying to get out of someones way and it is 2 seconds slower than the 3 6.0's I had. all crew's 1 cab and chassis. WTF? I will be taking it to the dealer to see if there is a TSB or something on this.

 

That's definitely not normal, the turbo lag on these trucks is far less than it is on previous generation PSDs. I imagine an updated flash would likely take care of the problem.



Perhaps you should start your own thread on this matter.

 

I thought we were talking about chassis cab's not crew cabs. Oh well, still good info. Someone will have to step on my foot so I can tell if I have turbo lag.