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Old Sep 28, 2011 | 11:20 PM
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Exclamation Braking Situation

I replaced my rotors and brake pads in June ($500 in parts). Since then the brakes have worked good. Stops very well for a big 250, but lately I have had a problem with the front drivers side tire locking up if I apply a decent amount of pressure to the brake pedal. The problem only persists for less than the first 5 minutes the truck is running. Scared the crap out of a guy in a crosswalk this morning (last thing you wanna hear while in a crosswalk is a big 250 skreeching to a halt 6 feet away. ). So I am thinking it may have something to do with it taking a little while for my truck to build up vacuum. When the pedal feels like i have full power brakes the tire doesn't lock up anymore but when they are still stiff it acts up. Would vaccuum leaks be a possible cause?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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Yep, I believe it would. I'm needing a vacuum pump as well and my brake pedal feels like mashing on a concrete block and it has very little stopping ability when it's like that. I checked my vacuum pump with a vacuum tester and it was only pulling 10-12 PSI and it should be up around 20 at least.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 02:30 AM
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Well thanks for the confirmation.

I'm not exactly sure why lack of vacuum would cause it to lock that tire up but I just figured since it didn't do it once vacuum seemed to build up that would be the cause.

My pump is around a year old so i don't think the problem lies with the pump itself but with the vacuum system. I'm pretty sure it leaks because sometimes when I'm at a stoplight my A/C will begin to blow through the defrost. And perhaps that my system has duct tape on it in a few areas and seems to be pieced together.

On a gas motor I always use WD-40 or starter fluid to check for vacuum leaks, but I know on a diesel that won't cut it so is there a trick similar to that you know of to find them for a diesel?
 
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 06:38 AM
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Iam not sure as to what it could be, but it is not vacuum. If the vacuum pump was bad the pedal would be hard and there would be no way for you to be able to lock oup the wheel with no power assist.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 07:03 AM
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I would be inclined to replace BOTH front flexible brake hoses.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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The problem is the replacement pads you used. When I replaced the front brakes on my 94 F250, I used some cheaper organic pads from the local parts house and had the same problem you are experiencing. I changed to a premium semi-metalic pad and the problem went away.
I think the reason you are just now having problems is as it was explained to me, the pads absorb moisture overnight and it takes a few applications of the brakes to boil off this moisture. Nights are getting cooler and there is more moisture in the air.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 12:03 PM
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Well that may be a reason why? But I used the best pads and rotors I could buy. Wagner Thermo-quiet. I go all the way with brakes. Acceleration may be cool, but brakes save your life.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 12:08 PM
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I would be inclined to replace BOTH front flexible brake hoses.
I bought the flex lines for the front a WHILE back, but never installed them. I'll try and dig them up. If I find them i'll throw them on ASAP
 
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This is how i tested my vac pump.

You will need to isolate all the vac lines.

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Well today i got a vac gauge and tested my pump. at idle it pulled 25 inhg. then i hit the brake pedal and the vac droped to about 10 inhg. when i released the brake pedal it took mabey 30-35 sec to build back up to 25 inhg. if i hit the brakes three times the vac would go all the way down to about 5 inhg. it took even longer to build up. i isolated all the lines and discovered that i did not have any leaks so i came to the conclusion that my vac pump is bad.
 
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Originally Posted by sparrish65492
But I used the best pads and rotors I could buy. Wagner Thermo-quiet.
The Thermoquiet pads are designed as replacement so there are different lining materials for different applications. I know Ford had a TSB many years ago for the front brake lock-up after sitting overnight and it recommended replacing the pads with a different lining material than OEM.
You probably used the MX450 pads, I think I went with a SX450 to fix the problem.
 
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