Need Input from Employers Please!
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I ask because I imagine at the very least they would have to undergo some sort of MSDS training. That in itself is likely to take a little time depending upon the amounts and types of chemicals used. So back to your original question. Yes it is conceivable using your example of a part-time worker cleaning up around a shop that a $5/hr. job could require more than a couple of hours of training. Not trying to split hairs here but without getting into a load of political junk that will surely move the thread to the club, it's hard to argue the points of it.
You might as well just go ahead and go with a premium membership to the Club....this will probably go there and that way you can still participate.
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Let me try to rerail the conversation. What can be done to this idea to make it work. Let's not worry about how to get it through congress at this point.
Additionally, what other ideas are out there? Let's stop pointing at what is broke and start fixing it.
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Some food for the debate - Two years ago I purchased a handlebar mount for my GPS unit. I bought it from China. Why? Not because it was cheaper, but because the one I wanted ISN'T MADE HERE. Why? It's just a little hunk of molded plastic with a plastic clamp on it. We put a man on the moon, why can't we make this little chunk of plastic?
Think about that for a little while.
Think about that for a little while.
PROFIT
If one company makes it here and the cost to produce it is $15.00 and their competitor makes it in China and it costs $10.00 it's easy to see that the American manufactured piece isn't bringing the profit that the China made piece is. The company making them in China is making a lot more profit while the company making them here is making far less profit. Very few businesses operate under the principle of slowly becoming a charity. They go where they can get cheap labor which increases profits and pads the bottom line.
It stinks for sure and it really angers me that so many companies have moved operations off-shore but it is what it is and we as a nation have let it get to this point.
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Some food for the debate - Two years ago I purchased a handlebar mount for my GPS unit. I bought it from China. Why? Not because it was cheaper, but because the one I wanted ISN'T MADE HERE. Why? It's just a little hunk of molded plastic with a plastic clamp on it. We put a man on the moon, why can't we make this little chunk of plastic?
Think about that for a little while.
Think about that for a little while.
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EXACTLY! Now ask the next question - why?
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The best thing that Washington can do for the economy is to do nothing (well...aside from abolishing the IRS, enacting a flat tax, and getting rid of deductions). The backlog of bad mortgages and other toxic debts needs to work through the system. There is not going to be a quick fix to this situation. That's a concept that seems to be lost on politicians, who are looking for a quick fix. i.e.This jerk-off jobs bill that's too small to do anything meaningful and will, in reality, have no noticeable or lasting impact.
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Because oppressive governments overseas don't have minimum salaries established and allow companies to pay their employees a fraction of what workers here would get. Essentially what you're advocating, lol. Just imagine how many people live in squalor so that Americans can buy their cheap "Made in xxxx" products.
Do you know what would happen to all of the ~$7.25-8/hr jobs if what you propose would pass? They'd instantly become $5/hr jobs. Wages would be set back to 1990's levels, while cost of living and inflation continues to climb. This bill would be written in a manner to benefit those with wealth...the employers...not the employees. It would be passed with glaring loopholes that would allow employers to do what they want. Yes...that's how much faith I have in our political system.
Do you know what would happen to all of the ~$7.25-8/hr jobs if what you propose would pass? They'd instantly become $5/hr jobs. Wages would be set back to 1990's levels, while cost of living and inflation continues to climb. This bill would be written in a manner to benefit those with wealth...the employers...not the employees. It would be passed with glaring loopholes that would allow employers to do what they want. Yes...that's how much faith I have in our political system.
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Why should a company have to pay someone $8.50 an hour to stand beside a conveyor and trim flash off a piece of molded plastic? This is not a position that would be intended to support a family. Why do we turn it into one?
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Do you know what would happen to all of the ~$7.25-8/hr jobs if what you propose would pass? They'd instantly become $5/hr jobs.
All a decision like that would do is result in an exponential increase in the cost of all goods and services, thereby making the "raise" pointless. That's what advocates for a higher minimum wage don't get. The worker might get an extra $0.35/hr, but they're going to end up paying that much extra to live.
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If I was suggesting abolishing the minimum wage altogether, that would be a different story.
We as a country can't set the floor on the price of a comodity and then complain when everything under that floor disappears. It is a good sound bite, but poor logic.
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We are skating a thin line here. Before the thread disappears, I just want to thank everyone participating.
Now, how about some ideas? I heard cut the red tape, get government out of the way, etc. How about some specifics? What about my proposal needs fixed? What are yours?
I really go nuts when I hear about the job problem. This is an economic problem. What can be done to get money moving again?
Now, how about some ideas? I heard cut the red tape, get government out of the way, etc. How about some specifics? What about my proposal needs fixed? What are yours?
I really go nuts when I hear about the job problem. This is an economic problem. What can be done to get money moving again?
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I don't know how to say this without sounding like a smartass. I think you need to go back and reread my proposal. I am not advocating that at all.
If I was suggesting abolishing the minimum wage altogether, that would be a different story.
We as a country can't set the floor on the price of a comodity and then complain when everything under that floor disappears. It is a good sound bite, but poor logic.
If I was suggesting abolishing the minimum wage altogether, that would be a different story.
We as a country can't set the floor on the price of a comodity and then complain when everything under that floor disappears. It is a good sound bite, but poor logic.
-What would happen to the salaries of employees already in positions equivalent to those that will be filled by $5/hr employees? Do you think they're going to be getting raises anytime soon? I'm going with no.
-What happens if this six month exemption is extended beyond the originally intended length and beyond the originally intended scope (i.e. Social Security program)?
When you open a can of worms...especially one involving the government...you never know what you're REALLY going to end up with.
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Yes, this could get twisted and abused beyond its original intent. How can we stop that from happening? That's what I am looking for.
I hope I am not going to cross a line here, but I am a free market guy. I believe that jobs are leaving this country because the market has been *******ized. If I go into detail this thread will go bye bye.
I hope I am not going to cross a line here, but I am a free market guy. I believe that jobs are leaving this country because the market has been *******ized. If I go into detail this thread will go bye bye.