Welcome to the forum Justin!

Nice to see that people read the old posts and drag up some of the more 'peppy' posts....

 

Particulate matter from diesel exhaust is one of the major environmental problems in urban settings today. As bad as it smells and looks, it's the micro fine particles that settle in your lungs and cause cancer no matter what brand or even if you drive a truck at all. If that is not fixed somehow, I predict in 20 years or less there will be no diesels at all, except perhaps grandfathered on railroads until hybrid turbines can take their place in generating electricity. Heavy pressure from sicentific groups is already to descending on congress and the white house. I've seen lung cancer up close and it is not pretty. It is the second leading cause of death in the US and diesels in ships, trains and trucks are partly to blame. Great engine, bad health hazards.

 

Better tell Ford. They are planning on putting one in the F150 in 06. I'm sure it'll make its way over to Expy line. (I can't wait!!)

Look for diesels to become more prevelant in light duty trucks and SUVs over the next 10-15 years. '06 is the year (or maybe 07??) that all diesels will have to be as clean as gas engines.

 

Your absolutely right!! Diesels will become very prevelent in the next 5 to 10 years! I work for Corning Inc. and we are going to be a big partner in cleaning up these diesels. I work everyday on diesel particulate filters that will soon be part of all diesel engines, and they work very well. I am all for diesel. A small PSD in out Expys would equate to better power and way better mileage, you can't beat a diesel!

Mark

 

I don't see an end to diesel engines anytime soon. Whether for long haul trucking or cars/trucks.

However, I have seen a huge increase in clean air buses lately. I know DFW Airport added quite a few of them in the last couple years (my wife drives one ). I also notice more and more city buses switching to propane/natural gas setups.

Would I buy a diesel Expedition? More than likely because I'm also one of those long term owners. My truck as 128k on it and will be around for at least 200k, if not more and will end up being driven by one of the teenagers. The wife's truck has 60k now and will have 100k easy by the time I take over it in a couple years (am I the only one whose wife gets the "new" car when you buy one? ).

 

Now if they only put one in a Navi...

 

Hey guys... lets all at least agree to disagree.

I love my '97 Expy EB w/ the 5.4...

but I just got an '04 F350 SD w/ the 6.0 PSD, and right now... I gotta say I really really love that motor. Haven't had any of the troubles some of the guys are talking about... and I'll tell you what... there's nothing slow about its acceleration.

Would I consider a new Expy with the 6.0 PSD... Hell no, the decision is made... where do I sign.

I would stick to a gas V-8 if its a wimped out 6 cyl. diesel just to get better mileage.

As far as some of the guys not liking diesels cause of the fumes and such... you better start getting used to them... diesels are gonna start cropping up in just about every vehicle segment withing the next few years. The newer generation diesels are quieter and cleaner and the American public is starting to look to them more and more.

 

Well..if they'll make one, I'll definitely buy one!

Here in the Philippines diesel engine is preferred over the gasoline counterpart. Also the Expedetion has a good following here, we're the 3rd most buyers in the world.

Hope to buy one soon!

 

Here's my .02 on a baby diesel and a look into the world of the 1-2%

First off, the V6 PSD is officially dead at Detroit. After many failed attempts to get it to run clean enough for the EPA, Ford has decided to scrap the project as it has become too costly for such a niche market. This info was related to me by a personal friend who is the Service center manager for a local dealership. One of his diesel techs also inquired about the little PSD at a recent training seminar and was told the same thing by a Ford technician trainer. In additions, the extra weight added by a small diesel would really dictate a new front end suspension design to accomodate the engine. Since the Expy just got a new suspension, I'm not holding my breath.

SO, considering that a diesel that is in good working order can actually produce lower emissions (not smell mind you) than an equivalent gasser AND has the potential to last considerably longer, I say THANKS to all the liberal tree hugging goofballs who don't really understand the inner workings of a combustion engine, either gas or diesel. Because of this group, we will never get to see the little PSD or at least not in the near future.

So, for the earthmuffins out there, go drive your little battery operated cars. I'll be laughing when the battery goes dead and you end up spending about 5-7k on new batteries. A diesel would still be ticking more than likely.

And for those of you who posted, "who keeps a vehicle for 200k?". Apparently the answer is Diesel owners. I personally put close to 50k a year on my Expedition due to work. Now, lets see, 5 year note, 50k/year. Hmm, sounds like about 250k to me--provided that I could get that many miles out of the gas engine (which will be a stretch without the possibility of major repairs).

Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a tough time paying a new car off in 2-3 years (and yes, I do need the room of an Expedition due to the equipment I carry for work). There's probably a smug little person out there reading this thinking somthing along the lines of "maybe he needs a new job or some other BS". Well, trust me, I'm willing to bet I hold my own in the earnings category with the posters here so that won't fly. So, how would you recommend that I deal with this dilemma? A diesel in an Expedtion would give me a fighting chance of not being upside down when I go to trade in, but I'll probably never know.

As for the noise of the Diesels, The are a little louder than a gasser at idle, but having taken a buddy's Excursion on at 1700 mile road trip, I can honestly say I didn't notice any increased noise. I actually thought the truck was quieter than my 03 Expediton at 80mph. As for the Idle noise, I didn't hear it inside, so I really didn't care. LOL

Now, I'm sure this post will ruffle some feathers, but that's ok, I really don't care. I'll take honesty over popularity any day. All comments welcome.

Have a good day.

 

not really, Navistar has in-fact been producing and installing the very "Baby-PSD" in trucks for some time now.

appearantly so.

actually, the V-6 "Baby-PSD" is not much heavier then the 5.4L V-8 and wouldn't require much modifacation at all

I don't agree much with the tree hugging liberal types myself but I think Ford made it's decisions based more on the marketability of the optional engine . . . consider for a moment that the PSD addes over $5,400 to the sticker price of a SuperDuty, the ever growing puddle of 'oil' that surrounds the diesel pump at U-Fill'er and the average Expy owner . . .

not many soccor mom/dads willing to pay a premium for a diesel here in the states.

you can blame the libs, blame the tree huggers, blame relitivly low gas cost or even blame gm for their joke of a diesel back in the day but America has never really embraced the diesel engine (except for in big trucks)

As for gassers running 250k miles . . . my company pickup has 245k on it an a guy I work with has over 400k on his '96 F150

 

Who says we're all in our "right mind"? www.xpeditionexpedition.org

As for the topic of the poll, I hate diesels and would never buy another one. However, I think it would be nice if Ford offered the option for those who do like them.

On edit:
WOW! I didn't realize how OLD this topic was!

 

You're right NoMo..they should offer one.. or atleast to countries that accepts diesel engines.

 

Petrol,

You are right in many of the things you are saying, but I will disagree with a couple of points.

The baby PSD may be in production for Navistar, however I "think" that the passenger cars are prone to adhering to a different set of EPA standards. Don't hold me to this as I am not an expert. As I said, my info came from a Ford Tech Trainer. Apparently the EPA doesn't like the way the PSD designed for "passenger" vehicles is polluting.

The weight in the front end actually is a factor according to multiple service departments. The truck is just not designed for it. Plus, I'd be suprised if the current transmission and exhaust would work without some serious redesign. (again this is my opinion).

The cost of the PSD engine would most definitely be a deterent. I would bet that has nearly as much of an effect as everything else.

As for the tree-huggers, I'm sure they played a big part in it as they are a lobby group with $$$$$$$ and that can overcome even the greatest usage of common sense in the world today LOL

Petrol, thanks for a well thought out response and not a bunch of emotional, testosterone-driven words that can be found on boards such as these from time to time.

 

The modern day diesels are much quieter due to computer controlled rail injection (just listen to the new Cummin's which was the ulitmate rattle box, 80% quieter now). In addition more pollution controls have been added (cat converter).

I personnally like the smell of diesel, does that make me a bad person?

 

i like loud diesel trucks blowing black smoke everywhere not cat either