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Old Sep 24, 2011 | 09:48 AM
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Blinker, Flasher Question

On to my next hurdle. Rear bulbs are flashing when hazard switch is on, front bulbs are not. Blinkers do not work at all and I do not hear the blinker relay when blinker switch is on, but I do hear it when flasher is on. Bulbs look good, I put meter on front harness with hazards on, no voltage. Where should I look first. Oh yea I checked all fuses found 4 that were blown and replaced, no help though. Thanks, Joe
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Old Sep 24, 2011 | 10:53 AM
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Now that you have checked the fuses, have you checked those circuts to find out why they were blown? If not, do that next as well as checking the front bulbs. I'm pretty sure there are seperate flashers for the hazards and the turn signals and you might be missing one. There could also be a bad or missing relay.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2011 | 11:13 AM
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I did not check the circuits, but the new fuses are not blowing. The idiot I got the vehicle had copper wrapped around one of the fuses. I cant figure out from the manual which relay to check or where the flashers are, any idea where I need to look???
 
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Old Sep 24, 2011 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Reefmonster
I did not check the circuits, but the new fuses are not blowing. The idiot I got the vehicle had copper wrapped around one of the fuses. I cant figure out from the manual which relay to check or where the flashers are, any idea where I need to look???
He must have been trying to sell the charred remains to his insurance company.
I'll try and locate some info for you but you can also use the search function in the banner and see what you find.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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I appreciate all the help I can get, I have not had good luck with the search feature, I will try some more.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Reefmonster
I did not check the circuits, but the new fuses are not blowing. The idiot I got the vehicle had copper wrapped around one of the fuses. I cant figure out from the manual which relay to check or where the flashers are, any idea where I need to look???
The PO was probably trying to tap power for an acessory off wire jammed into the fuse slot. Sometimes this streches out the contacts in the fuse holder and the connection doesn't get made, so power doesn't get passed, but the fuse doesn't blow either. you might want to take a closer look to see if this isn't the problem.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 12:05 PM
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I appreciate all the help I can get
And we'd appreciate knowing the make, model, and year of the vehicle you're asking about. Features, options, and wiring diagrams are not the same for all models.

In the meantime, remove the top cover off the steering column. Due to the tilt wheel movement, the connector for the multifunction switch will pull out if it's latch is broken off.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 02:09 PM
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What is the Multifunction Switch, What exactly does it do?

I also have a 2000 Navigator I could steal some parts off to test if I dont have to dismantle to much to get to them
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 02:34 PM
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What is the Multifunction Switch, What exactly does it do?
In other words, the turn signal switch. It's now called a MFS for the simple reason that it performs multiple functions other than just turn signals.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Reefmonster
2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Baur 4x4 5.4 Liter

What is the Multifunction Switch, What exactly does it do?

I also have a 2000 Navigator I could steal some parts off to test if I dont have to dismantle to much to get to them
The MF switch controls the turn and hazard signals as well as the wipers, front and rear. If you were closer I'd loan you one of my spares. Alloro might be on the right track with the MF switch. They're not hard to replace, a couple or 3 screws on the shift collar just below the steering wheel and the a few screws retaining it in position.



Multifunction Switch"
Disconnect the battery ground cable

Remove the ignition switch lock cylinder
Insert the ignition key into the ignition switch lock cylinder and turn to the RUN position.
Insert a punch through the hole in the lower steering column shroud and push the ignition switch lock cylinder release tab while pulling out the ignition switch lock cylinder.
Twist the tilt wheel handle and shank (3F609) and remove.
Move gear selector to lowest position to access steering column opening cover.
Release the four clips and remove the steering column opening cover.


Remove the upper and lower steering column shrouds.
Remove the three screws.

Remove the lower steering column shroud.

Remove the upper steering column shroud.

Remove the multi function switch.Remove the two screws.

Disconnect the electrical connectors.

Remove the multi function switch.

When the battery (10655) is disconnected and reconnected, some abnormal drive symptoms may occur while the vehicle relearns its adaptive strategy. The vehicle may need to be driven 16 km (10 mi) or more to relearn the strategy.
To install, reverse the removal procedure.
 
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Would the switch be the same from my navigator, could I use it to test with?
 
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Originally Posted by Reefmonster
Would the switch be the same from my navigator, could I use it to test with?
I doubt the switch is bad, I just think the connector pulled out of it. First check the connector by removing the top cover off the steering column. Then see if the connector pushes in. If you find the latch broken off the connector use a tye-wrap, duct tape, or whatever works for you (except glue) and find a way to secure the connector.

As to the MFS out of the Navigator, look up the part numbers at any online parts site for both models and see if they're the same. If they are then you can swap them.
 
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The Ford units seem to all be the same from the full size cars to the light duty trucks from the mid '90s to the early 2000s.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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I am going to try and take a look at the switch tomorrow after work, I hope that is all it is.
 
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Originally Posted by Moto Mel
The Ford units seem to all be the same from the full size cars to the light duty trucks from the mid '90s to the early 2000s.
Expeditions and Gators are different from others due to the ring that controls the rear wiper.
 
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