Complete Fuel System Failure
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Picking the truck up tomorrow. Should be interesting but I think you are correct Scott. I think the VCV stuck open and let the fuel flow big time. The truck actually sped up for a brief moment after I let off the pedal when I knew something was bad wrong. I will update as soon as I know.
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Picked up the truck and it seems to be running great. They did not have my paperwork ready yet so I don't have anything to copy verbatim however, I did get a chance to talk with my tech for a while to discuss the extent of the damage and repairs.
Basically the high pressure fuel pump came apart internally. This in turn caused an overfueling condition that caused extreme heating that destroyed all eight injectors and 5 glow plugs. The dealer is supposed to mail me the paperwork so if there are any other points to this failure I will post an update. Other than being a PITA I have a brand new fuel system at 35K and got my fuel filters and oil changed for free. I am towing my 30' rig with her on Monday so that will definately be a true test of the repairs.
Basically the high pressure fuel pump came apart internally. This in turn caused an overfueling condition that caused extreme heating that destroyed all eight injectors and 5 glow plugs. The dealer is supposed to mail me the paperwork so if there are any other points to this failure I will post an update. Other than being a PITA I have a brand new fuel system at 35K and got my fuel filters and oil changed for free. I am towing my 30' rig with her on Monday so that will definately be a true test of the repairs.
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Glad you got it taken care of. Before I bought my truck I was $1000 away from buying an 08 6.4 where the oasis stated it just had the low pressure fuel pump replaced. I wonder if this kind of repair you just had was in its near future.
EDIT: Do you know why the HPFP came apart? I've heard rust (from water in the fuel) is usually the way they fail
EDIT: Do you know why the HPFP came apart? I've heard rust (from water in the fuel) is usually the way they fail
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wow, my engine light came on in October, was losing power and such, dropped it off at the dealers to get it checked out, they told me that there was metal filings in the system and they
needed my permission to find the root problem.
they told me that it would cost me 15 to 20 grand to repair, and that ford canada was not going to warranty it.
here in canada we have an organization called CAM-VAP, they are an impartial 3rd party arbitration firm ( i guess). ( the back of your owners manual) .
i have 149000 kilometers on my 08 350.
anyway we had a hearing, i had taken my pump from the dealer after it was removed because ford canada said that there was rust , and that i must have used bad fuel, that pissed me off. so i have the pump, and no rust on it. i take it with me to the hearing, ford says must be the pump and water, then it was, i didnt change my fuel filter enough. to make a long story short.......my truck goes into the shop today for repairs... at NO cost to me, the entire fuel system replaced....sweet
needed my permission to find the root problem.
they told me that it would cost me 15 to 20 grand to repair, and that ford canada was not going to warranty it.
here in canada we have an organization called CAM-VAP, they are an impartial 3rd party arbitration firm ( i guess). ( the back of your owners manual) .
i have 149000 kilometers on my 08 350.
anyway we had a hearing, i had taken my pump from the dealer after it was removed because ford canada said that there was rust , and that i must have used bad fuel, that pissed me off. so i have the pump, and no rust on it. i take it with me to the hearing, ford says must be the pump and water, then it was, i didnt change my fuel filter enough. to make a long story short.......my truck goes into the shop today for repairs... at NO cost to me, the entire fuel system replaced....sweet
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wow, my engine light came on in October, was losing power and such, dropped it off at the dealers to get it checked out, they told me that there was metal filings in the system and they
needed my permission to find the root problem.
they told me that it would cost me 15 to 20 grand to repair, and that ford canada was not going to warranty it.
here in canada we have an organization called CAM-VAP, they are an impartial 3rd party arbitration firm ( i guess). ( the back of your owners manual) .
i have 149000 kilometers on my 08 350.
anyway we had a hearing, i had taken my pump from the dealer after it was removed because ford canada said that there was rust , and that i must have used bad fuel, that pissed me off. so i have the pump, and no rust on it. i take it with me to the hearing, ford says must be the pump and water, then it was, i didnt change my fuel filter enough. to make a long story short.......my truck goes into the shop today for repairs... at NO cost to me, the entire fuel system replaced....sweet
needed my permission to find the root problem.
they told me that it would cost me 15 to 20 grand to repair, and that ford canada was not going to warranty it.
here in canada we have an organization called CAM-VAP, they are an impartial 3rd party arbitration firm ( i guess). ( the back of your owners manual) .
i have 149000 kilometers on my 08 350.
anyway we had a hearing, i had taken my pump from the dealer after it was removed because ford canada said that there was rust , and that i must have used bad fuel, that pissed me off. so i have the pump, and no rust on it. i take it with me to the hearing, ford says must be the pump and water, then it was, i didnt change my fuel filter enough. to make a long story short.......my truck goes into the shop today for repairs... at NO cost to me, the entire fuel system replaced....sweet
15-20 grand, thats twice the cost for a complete fuel system in America. Must have several hundred dollar an hour rates up there.
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Good for you! I think they were trying to get over on you with the typical cause and you called their bluff.
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Well just over 60,000 miles and I'm on my second pump and injectors...so far no cost to me other than not having a vehicle for 44 days in a year...to be honest the 6.4 is junk. and Ford knows..Engine was making oil and smoking to no end..both times they changed a bunch of parts....bed full.... EPA should drive behind one.......drivers behind you choke it's that bad...
Hope they get yours fixed..
Hope they get yours fixed..
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To be very honest ..sell it... I went through 4 fuel pumps, oil coolers under intake....a mess...I ended up giving it back to ford...6.4 uses fuel to clean , exhaust...When it goes into regen the fuel system dumps extra fuel into cylinders that leak past the rings, Oil level goes up and then the smoke....I mean smoke...
Everyone I know who had one had the same problem...brutal design...great truck, junk motor... FORD KNOWS IT TOO....
To be honest, I bought a 2013 and it great so far. ...Not a Chevy or Dodge fan..
Fuel mileage is way up from 12-13- ...2013 gets 18- 19 mpg tells you something
Everyone I know who had one had the same problem...brutal design...great truck, junk motor... FORD KNOWS IT TOO....
To be honest, I bought a 2013 and it great so far. ...Not a Chevy or Dodge fan..
Fuel mileage is way up from 12-13- ...2013 gets 18- 19 mpg tells you something
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i took the HPFP and found rust splotching all over, rust started the galling process on the end of the pump, there is some kind of mechanical pump that feeds the three pistons of the high pressure side. the mechanical pump portion was galling like crazy, so now this fine particulate matter is through the whole system. i have to get the truck runnning to at least sell it. i would have to take apart and clean all the injectors (are they even servicable? i know the 6.0 L injectors are doable) and the fuel lines would have to be flushed, fuel cooler, low pressure electric pump, fuel filters.