1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

'51 F4 project

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #916  
Old 10-24-2013, 09:56 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Time for another update. No, nothing new on the truck...

But today I was in Morgan Hill, CA and got to meet old_dan at his place. I am really impressed with his shop and lift.

But the real jewel is his 52 F1. The pics I've seen don't do the truck justice. Although his 351W looks just as nice in the truck as his pics before it was installed. And I really like the refurbished seat and the new seat cover. But I think the most amazing part is the rear bumper he made from scratch... Dan, you could sell those, if you wanted to go to all that trouble again!

Thanks for your hospitality Dan. FTEers are the best kind of people.
 
  #917  
Old 10-25-2013, 06:05 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Well, they seem to come in droves...

This morning before my flight home, I had the pleasure of talking with 51PanelMan over breakfast. He lets me ramble on about my truck, which I tend to do a lot...

Thanks again for the great hospitality, Ilya. And the restaurant choice was excellent as well.

Next week I'm off to Portland. Any FTEers there? There must be...
 
  #918  
Old 10-25-2013, 06:17 PM
51PanelMan's Avatar
51PanelMan
51PanelMan is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 7,668
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
It's the Great Travels of Jolly Roger Joe or is it kind of Where's Waldo, except we'll have to find out where you are every week.

It was great seeing you again and nice talking to a human about my truck and BTMS addictions. Hopefully, next time you can drive the 51 and 52 Panels.
 
  #919  
Old 11-25-2013, 02:50 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Time for another update...

I finally pulled the cover off the transmission this morning. It took me a while, and I was starting to think there was nothing wrong, but I finally found the gear with the missing tooth parts. It's the Reverse Idler gear p/n BB7141. That's the only gear with any damage. So, I put a call in to Chuck to see if he has one. He called back, and has the gear so I ordered the gear, gasket set and rear seal. I'm off work this week, but the parts won't arrive until next week. Next week and the week after, I'm out of town again. So I won't get this done until I take time off in December. I was going to throw it back together so I could move it out of the center of the garage (my shop), but my super cool wife said she didn't mind leaving the car out of the garage for a month. I'm keeping her.

Here are a couple of pics of the operation. Those of you who have done this will be bored. Others, like me, who have never done this might be interested. It took me just as long to clean off the top of the tranny to uncover the 6 bolts as it did to find the bad gear.

It looks like someone didn't like reverse, and enjoyed cramming it into gear. Multiple teeth are chipped on the reverse idler, but the corresponding gear looks good. How does that work? Oh well, what's that saying about looking a gift horse in the mouth? I think that has something to do with teeth also.

How about 60+ years of road grime?



And the other side...



Cleaned off enough grime to see the bolt heads...





Tranny cover removed



A shot for position of the gears in neutral (so I can put it back together)



And I tried to get a shot of the chipped gear on the lower left of this pic, but it isn't clear. You can see my "blue" marks on the top of two teeth that I used to reference whether I had rotated the gears fully.

 
  #920  
Old 11-25-2013, 06:52 PM
38 coupe's Avatar
38 coupe
38 coupe is offline
Cargo Master
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,903
Likes: 0
Received 109 Likes on 57 Posts
It is good to hear you finally found something.
 
  #921  
Old 11-25-2013, 08:54 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by 38 coupe
It is good to hear you finally found something.
Yeah, thanks 38 Coupe. (I don't know your name)

Since I'm not the man I used to be, I went out tonight and bought a 2 ton shop crane and leveling arm to pull that baby out of the truck. I could just picture dropping it about halfway out onto my foot or on the concrete floor on the pointy end. Neither one interested me, so I got the hoist. Some assembly required. I'll get to that tomorrow...
 
  #922  
Old 11-26-2013, 10:48 AM
Chicago Fire Patrol's Avatar
Chicago Fire Patrol
Chicago Fire Patrol is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,420
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Joe,

Looking forward to seeing the repair pics. If I keeping grinding my gears when shifting, I might be doing the same repair one day!!
 
  #923  
Old 11-26-2013, 12:04 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by Chicago Fire Patrol
Joe,

Looking forward to seeing the repair pics. If I keeping grinding my gears when shifting, I might be doing the same repair one day!!
Keith, I just got started again this morning by assembling the crane. I came back inside to get the transmission removal instructions again before I start with that.

Everyone knows what these look like, but it's my Christmas present early, so I took pics...



 
  #924  
Old 11-26-2013, 12:11 PM
old_dan's Avatar
old_dan
old_dan is offline
Fleet Mechanic

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
Posts: 1,994
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger Joe
Keith, I just got started again this morning by assembling the crane. I came back inside to get the transmission removal instructions again before I start with that.

Everyone knows what these look like, but it's my Christmas present early, so I took pics...




Nice gift!!!
What're your plans for the transmission??
 
  #925  
Old 11-26-2013, 12:44 PM
tractormanbill's Avatar
tractormanbill
tractormanbill is offline
tractorman

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 709
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What is the padding on the roll-around stands on the right for?
I may need to add this to mine.
Tractormanbill
 
  #926  
Old 11-26-2013, 01:38 PM
truckdog62563's Avatar
truckdog62563
truckdog62563 is offline
Marmon-Herrington Man
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 11,712
Received 269 Likes on 218 Posts
Your shop isn't nearly cluttered enough. Stu
 
  #927  
Old 11-26-2013, 02:05 PM
51PanelMan's Avatar
51PanelMan
51PanelMan is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 7,668
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Make sure to put a jack stand under the rear of the engine when you pull the trans out. Will you also pull the seat out?
 
  #928  
Old 11-26-2013, 03:16 PM
truckdog62563's Avatar
truckdog62563
truckdog62563 is offline
Marmon-Herrington Man
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 11,712
Received 269 Likes on 218 Posts
Not to get ahead of you too much, but when you begin to reassemble the unit the shop manual does a good job explaining things. But I'll suggest that your hands won't fit in there when it's time to get the countershaft installed. Of particular difficulty will be the thrust washer at the front of the case as the shaft is inserted from the rear. I found that a 3/4" dowel rod inserted from the front held the pieces in place as the countershaft was inserted. There's no other way to ensure that thrust washer gets in place. Stu
 
  #929  
Old 11-26-2013, 03:56 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by tractormanbill
What is the padding on the roll-around stands on the right for?
I may need to add this to mine.
Tractormanbill
Bill, that's the side of the garage where the car is usually parked. The padding is to protect the doors when opened against the stands. Another of my wife's great ideas. She has them all the time.

Originally Posted by truckdog62563
Your shop isn't nearly cluttered enough. Stu
Yes, Stu, I know. But it's a garage, so I normally have a car parked in it with Betsy. Can't be running over stuff...

Originally Posted by 51PanelMan
Make sure to put a jack stand under the rear of the engine when you pull the trans out. Will you also pull the seat out?
I did both of those. The seat before I took off the shifter/cover. And the jack before I started working on removing the trans.

Originally Posted by truckdog62563
Not to get ahead of you too much, but when you begin to reassemble the unit the shop manual does a good job explaining things. But I'll suggest that your hands won't fit in there when it's time to get the countershaft installed. Of particular difficulty will be the thrust washer at the front of the case as the shaft is inserted from the rear. I found that a 3/4" dowel rod inserted from the front held the pieces in place as the countershaft was inserted. There's no other way to ensure that thrust washer gets in place. Stu
Thanks Stu. That's good to know, and I did not know it. I learned a lot already this morning about pulling the transmission. The instructions in the Shop Manual are a little sketchy. It says to drain the tranny, which I did weeks ago, remove the seat, remove the tranny cover so it can be pulled out through the floor, put a jack under the flywheel housing, remove the coupling shaft, remove the clutch equalizer shaft, disconnect the speedo cable and then remove the bolts etc... etc... etc...

I read further to discover the coupling shaft is the drive shaft coupling for my two drive shafts. I spent 3 1/2 hours getting the drive shaft off the back of the transmission. I discovered that I missed that u-joint when I lubed the truck months ago. I also saw the PO had used nails instead of cotter pins to hold the nuts on.

My problem was getting the front u-joint bracket off the trans. While I was under the truck, I couldn't budge it (too long since it's been off). My wonderful wife suggested suspending a bungee cord under the front of the drive shaft to prevent dropping it on my head. That worked perfectly and actually lifted the front of the drive shaft when it finally came off the bolts. She also suggested supporting the rear of the shaft with a tie down strap while I was working it loose off the bolts. I had the shaft off in 15 minutes after she came out to see how I was doing.

Here's the front u-joint after I got the nails out.




Here's how we ran the bungee that kept the drive shaft from killing me...



And finally, the u-joint removed.



I'm definitely not as young as I used to be, and I needed a break after fighting with that drive shaft.
 
  #930  
Old 11-26-2013, 04:03 PM
Jolly Roger Joe's Avatar
Jolly Roger Joe
Jolly Roger Joe is offline
Lead Driver
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Rockingham, VA
Posts: 6,599
Received 27 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by old_dan
Nice gift!!!
What're your plans for the transmission??
Dan, I'm going to replace the only gear with chipped teeth, and keep the crash box. Chuck has the gear on it's way already along with the gaskets and a rear seal. And while I'm at it, I'll be replacing the u-joints. I already have two of the three off...
 


Quick Reply: '51 F4 project



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:07 PM.