Thats awful, hope it gets better soon

 

Been looking everywhere, no one seems to make these headers.

Still debating between the W and a 3.85series

 

You should mock them up for me... erm... us... so that we can see what kind of clearance issues we'll be having and really refine this issue of dentsides with windsors and headers.

Wow, that really does stink.. I can see why you would have been frustrated... And a vacation may not be the best thing JUST yet... after you fix the portfolio though, have at er!

Are you debating this all because of headers?

If that's the case, then just go with an FE engine and be done with it. I however, will stick by my windsor until I either:

A) have major issues and swear continuously at it

B) am proven that my small block is a waste of my time

Neither have occurred yet, but don't mean that this is your chance to talk me out of it guys!

 

See my gallery for pics of 351W running Mustang shorty headers in a 79. I'll see if I can dig up some pics of the guy running the 302 longtubes on his 351w, it was posted quite a few years ago.

On edit: missed the 4wd application comment. The above is for 2wd.

 

Man, that engine bay is so clean compared to mine... but you're also running an 88 windsor, where as I'm running a stang 74 windsor with the beefier webbing on the block and different deck height

I gotta say, that's what I'm trying to get my truck to look like right now... trade ya? haha.

I love that you have headers without issues... now I want to see those longtubes tho, because those would be fender well exits, wouldn't they?

I never really understood the difference between longtubes and shorties besides the fact that longtubes can exit the fender...

Oh yeah, and excellent job on the wheel polishing... man those rims look awesome!

 

Thanks Aaron. Engine bay is a little dirtier 9 years later after running a 300k engine that leaks and blowsby oil everywhere. Rims are also less shiny 9 years later.

Longtubes can be either inside the frame or fenderwell exit....

Quote: "Summit G9032 headers fit nice but had to notch the passenger side frame!" from this thread https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...-its-done.html Unfortunately the pictures are long gone.

 

Thanks for the link loudfords, I really wish those pictures were still there...

And I looked up the differences between the two (shorties and LT's). Lt's just flow more and make a different sound (apparently a better sound).

The way it was described was:

"For power and sound:

manifolds < shorties < longtubes"

They also said that longtubes can help with low end torque, which is always nice because it helps increase the flow of the engine.

Forever Ford hasn't signed on since 2007, so I guess we'll never know... and his gallery is toast as well... darn...

Those 302 summits look like they aren't fender well exits, but they are definitely longtubes. I guess we need more people to chime in or this one...

 

I have a set of Doug Thorley tri-Y long tubes sitting here that I'm going to mess with fitting in my supercab when I get around to it (messing with crew cab 1st). I also have a set of Borla shorties I got for cheap to use as starting points for custom long tubes if I can't mess with the Thorleys and get them to work.

Not that any of this helps any of you though because I won't even be looking at this stuff for a year or more most likely.

 

The time-frame isn't my concern. I'mn going back to school for another full year, so no biggy there...

My concern is the 4X2 vs 4x4, both running windsor engines in them, and the clearance issue differences between shorties and LT's.

I'd love to get a fenderwell exit on my windsor, but I know that's just me dreaming real big at the moment unless I fab something up myself.

I'd just love to get some longtubes regardless on my windsor... she needs MOAR POWA!

 

I too won't trade my windsor away just because I can't get some bolt-on headers. I have a set of 302 long tubes that I'm going to try and get fitted up in the next couple weeks. The gasket kit is on its way for my engine. Once that's all together, the engine is going back in the frame. I'll be working with this, so it'll be much easier to see/fix clearance issues.

 

These are the pics I took when I was working on it. I have not messed with it in awhile though.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/5232717092/" title="SSPX0511 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5249/5232717092_75efa394a3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="SSPX0511"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/5232717228/" title="SSPX0512 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5208/5232717228_278d64b486.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="SSPX0512"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/5232717354/" title="SSPX0514 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5164/5232717354_95845aa4a4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="SSPX0514"></a>

This is the problem side for the headers.
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/5232716948/" title="SSPX0507 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5003/5232716948_1eda914835.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="SSPX0507"></a>

This is from the starter to the frame clearance. There is only 4 inches. I am also using a much smaller high torque starter.
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/5232124253/" title="SSPX0506 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5232124253_85940a54ec.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="SSPX0506"></a>

This is the regular manifold and exhaust pipe downturn.
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/5232124225/" title="SSPX0505 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5170/5232124225_3cf51c5c77.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="SSPX0505"></a>

The long tubes I had would not clear the frame or the c6 bellhousing.


This was the header that would not fit. I got them off a 79 f150 with a 302. They had no clearance issues what so ever.
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/love_ford_trucks/4589541807/" title="junkyard 098 by ford collection, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4589541807_7e4d63b7a2.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="junkyard 098"></a>

 

don't even dare put down the 390, mine will do anything your 351"w" can do and better

 

How's that 3 mpg and 256 lb. intake manifold?????

 

more like 8-10 and sorry i don't have the stock intake

 

Obviously I was exaggerating a bit, but it kind of shot your "anything better" statement out the window...

I've got buddies that like the FE, heck a buddy had Clay Smith build this for his '73



BUT I'm a windsor believer and disagree with your statement.