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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:02 PM
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2 post break-in questions...

I have a '74 F250 with about 300 miles on the new 390.

First question: After I drain the break-in oil, I'm a little confused regarding the info of what to replace it with. Apparently I can't use regular oil, any recommendations?

Second: It's warmed up a little from stock, any thoughts on what timing should be set to?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:10 PM
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What do you mean you can't use regular oil?

Personally I would just use a 10w-30 oil of your choice for most applications.


And since this is an engine only lets move this thread down to the FE forum.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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Sorry, didn't notice the FE forum.

Some of the data I've read indicates that the FE still requires an oil with some kind of additive- zinc maybe?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Carson
Sorry, didn't notice the FE forum.

Some of the data I've read indicates that the FE still requires an oil with some kind of additive- zinc maybe?
That's mainly for the breakin. If your breakin oil doesn't have enough zinc in it then that is where cam problems on breakin come from.

Very few oils have much zinc in them anymore. Some of the diesel oils have small amounts still but not enough to make a difference. Race only oils that cost a fortune do to.

Just stay with a good quality 10w30 and if your engine is broke in properly you won't have any issues.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:22 PM
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Any thoughts on timing?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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idk I always worry about total timing instead of initial. figure out what your total timing advance is and shoot for 36-38 total to start with.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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Can you explain a little please?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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Your distributor has some kind of advance mechanism. Probably both mechanical AND vacuum. so you want to find out how much total it adds then subtract from 36 and set your initial to the number.

and initial timing setting I give you will be a guesstimate
 
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 06:46 PM
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Thanks for the help, I will proceed.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby
That's mainly for the breakin. If your breakin oil doesn't have enough zinc in it then that is where cam problems on breakin come from.

Very few oils have much zinc in them anymore. Some of the diesel oils have small amounts still but not enough to make a difference. Race only oils that cost a fortune do to.

Just stay with a good quality 10w30 and if your engine is broke in properly you won't have any issues.
I disagree. A flat tappet cam needs a higher zddp oil to last. Quite a few threads of guys with wiped cam lobes at very low miles that didn't use a high zddp oil after using it for break in. Not all the high zddp oils are expensive. I use Brad Penn. Cost about $4/qt. Others you could use would be Joe Gibbs, Valvoline VR1, Amsoil.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 05:45 AM
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all API certified oils (oils for street use) are limited on the amount of ZDDP they can have due to the phosphorous.

I have not seen a single cam that was wiped that can not be traced back to the breakin period (didn't run it the full time, ran the rpms to low so not enough lubrication, started and stopped several times. hard time getting it fired first time, didn't prime the system etc. Check you will find a problem almost every single time.)

but use what you want.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 12:23 PM
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Here's a good read. http://www.aera.org/ep/downloads/ep1/EP012008_8-16.pdf
Ask yourself this Joe, is the $1/qt you save by using a new oil not designed for your engine worth the risk of a cam failure (which could send metal shavings through your entire engine resulting in a rebuild)?
 
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