Expensive problem :( Any suggestions?
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Expensive problem :( Any suggestions?
'06 6.0L bought new, 61,350 miles, just had turbo freeze up. Dealer said the build up of carbon/coke locked it up in decel mode (?). I have an Easy Care extended warranty that won't cover this - not due to materiel defect.
Going to run 3300 bucks for the new turbo. This is my daily driver, no excessive idling, not much towing, get fuel at places with good turnover, all scheduled maintenance done at Ford dealer.
*begin rant* WTF?? If this is not some sort of defect, is this something I have to look forward to every 5 years?? One of the reasons I got a diesel was for longtevity. The Ford guy said the Ford extended warranty would have covered this, so unless I miss my guess, buyer beware the Easy Care trap. This substandard POS was sold to me by the dealer I bought the truck from, so I feel a bit ripped off. *end rant*
Is there something I'm missing here? I can't think of anything I'm doing to cause that much build up.
*sigh*
Going to run 3300 bucks for the new turbo. This is my daily driver, no excessive idling, not much towing, get fuel at places with good turnover, all scheduled maintenance done at Ford dealer.
*begin rant* WTF?? If this is not some sort of defect, is this something I have to look forward to every 5 years?? One of the reasons I got a diesel was for longtevity. The Ford guy said the Ford extended warranty would have covered this, so unless I miss my guess, buyer beware the Easy Care trap. This substandard POS was sold to me by the dealer I bought the truck from, so I feel a bit ripped off. *end rant*
Is there something I'm missing here? I can't think of anything I'm doing to cause that much build up.
*sigh*
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The breakdown Is:
Turbo $1400
EGR Valve $230
EGR Baffle $29
Cetane booster $9
Oil & Filter $94
Antifreeze $46
Hot tank the intake manifold $110
Labor $1034
Tax ~$120
I hope my dealer isn't ripping me off, too.
Turbo $1400
EGR Valve $230
EGR Baffle $29
Cetane booster $9
Oil & Filter $94
Antifreeze $46
Hot tank the intake manifold $110
Labor $1034
Tax ~$120
I hope my dealer isn't ripping me off, too.
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Yes, it all sounded good when I read it 5 years ago. Had no experience to show the way,but hind sight is always better than foresight.
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these guys are taking you for a ride
I dont think these are absolutly nessasary
Antifreeze $46
Hot tank the intake manifold $110
lots of labor for an intake manafold to come out theres probably some buildup in there but no diff than 90% of the 6.0s out there the other 10% are guys on here FTE that clean them out. Even if you didnt clean it your intake manafold truck will run fine. you could pull the few sensors in it and clean them if you wanted.
EGR Baffle $29 anyone know what this is???
You could try and clean the turbo they didnt say it ate into the housing or overheated and had a meltdown or anything did they
I think you can get individule parts for the inside of the turbo depending what you find
personaly I think they are going to bolt a new turbo on and throw a new egr valve in and send you on your way and not do the other stuff but they shure will bill you for it
makes me wonder if the Service Advisor makes a percentage on the work he generates
I dont think these are absolutly nessasary
Antifreeze $46
Hot tank the intake manifold $110
lots of labor for an intake manafold to come out theres probably some buildup in there but no diff than 90% of the 6.0s out there the other 10% are guys on here FTE that clean them out. Even if you didnt clean it your intake manafold truck will run fine. you could pull the few sensors in it and clean them if you wanted.
EGR Baffle $29 anyone know what this is???
You could try and clean the turbo they didnt say it ate into the housing or overheated and had a meltdown or anything did they
I think you can get individule parts for the inside of the turbo depending what you find
personaly I think they are going to bolt a new turbo on and throw a new egr valve in and send you on your way and not do the other stuff but they shure will bill you for it
makes me wonder if the Service Advisor makes a percentage on the work he generates
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"makes me wonder if the Service Advisor makes a percentage on the work he
generates "
I'm sure the bill is padded!
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I'm sure the bill is padded!
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Does anyone have an idea why the turbo would crap out in the first place? I know this is kind of a swag as far as diagnosing it without seeing it, but how many things could cause this in only 5 years? These things are supposed to run hundreds of thousands of miles, desert, snow, whatever. If I'm doing something wrong, I need to change it. If the truck is deffective, I need to chase Ford around with a stick.
Service guy said the turbo was rusted and corroded to the point it couldn't be salvaged. He said the intake manifold was caked with carbon. I can't even imagine how it could get that way.
Service guy said the turbo was rusted and corroded to the point it couldn't be salvaged. He said the intake manifold was caked with carbon. I can't even imagine how it could get that way.
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10 hours to remove the intake, tear down the turbo and diag the concern. is really not a bad price. sorry.
now on to the egr baffle. that is an updated add on per a tsb. I have never used/sold one. its basicly a sheild to stop caron loading of the egr valve.
now on to the egr baffle. that is an updated add on per a tsb. I have never used/sold one. its basicly a sheild to stop caron loading of the egr valve.
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I really don't have a beef with the price or the dealer I have the truck at. I have a beef that the warranty sold me by the dealer I bought the truck from is not equivalent to Fords warranty. That's probably a subject for a couple beers and a voodoo doll.
I just need to know why it's gone bad. If I can look forward to this every 5 years, that's gonna take some of the shine off my nice Ford product.
I just need to know why it's gone bad. If I can look forward to this every 5 years, that's gonna take some of the shine off my nice Ford product.
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without seeing the parts its very hard to say why. the diag is typical of excessive coaking. this can be caused by poor fuel quality, cooling system issues, extended iidle times on a regular basis. misfires, ficm concerns, lack of correct manitance.
basicly a whole lot of things
so far as a warranty goes that is spmething I have brought up so many times. sadly I was not here to advise you differntly 5 years ago.
to save a pretty good chunk of change you can attempt to perform this job on your own.
basicly a whole lot of things
so far as a warranty goes that is spmething I have brought up so many times. sadly I was not here to advise you differntly 5 years ago.
to save a pretty good chunk of change you can attempt to perform this job on your own.
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what was happening with the truck that caused you to take it in for service
the veins sticking in our turboes is common thing
to prevent this you need to not let the truck sit for long periods which causes the veins and unison ring inside to rust
also need to put the pedal to the metal occassionaly and clear the carbon buildup out
since you say this is your daily driver I find it very odd that it would be rusted beyond repair
have they taken the turbo out and opened it up
If it were me Id get the truck away from those guys
the veins sticking in our turboes is common thing
to prevent this you need to not let the truck sit for long periods which causes the veins and unison ring inside to rust
also need to put the pedal to the metal occassionaly and clear the carbon buildup out
since you say this is your daily driver I find it very odd that it would be rusted beyond repair
have they taken the turbo out and opened it up
If it were me Id get the truck away from those guys
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So here is the situation. No extensive idling. A little here and there, but never even as much as 15 - 20 min, and not very often. Fuel is always bought from Southern States or Sheetz, both places sell a lot of diesel to trucks and cars, so I wouldn't think they have old or bad fuel.
This is my daily driver. 12 miles to work and back every day, longer freeway trips every month or so.
Routine maintenance is always done by the dealer it's at now, never had a problem with them. All maintenace schedules are followed.
Recent non-maintenance history: around December I noticed white smoke, turned out to be EGR cooler needed replaced, it was burning coolant. Then in May I got a CEL and it was a bad glow plug. That's it for recent issues.
When this issue started, I drove to work no problem. Went to lunch, pulled away from a stop sign and lost power. Pressed on the accelerator, very rough, black smoke, I shut it down and got a tow.
That was it, sports fans.
This is my daily driver. 12 miles to work and back every day, longer freeway trips every month or so.
Routine maintenance is always done by the dealer it's at now, never had a problem with them. All maintenace schedules are followed.
Recent non-maintenance history: around December I noticed white smoke, turned out to be EGR cooler needed replaced, it was burning coolant. Then in May I got a CEL and it was a bad glow plug. That's it for recent issues.
When this issue started, I drove to work no problem. Went to lunch, pulled away from a stop sign and lost power. Pressed on the accelerator, very rough, black smoke, I shut it down and got a tow.
That was it, sports fans.
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well a blown egr cooler explains the rust problem
when the egr cooler went out did they replace the oil cooler as well they should have
I havent read about to many people getting a ford warrenty and having problems with a claim
so none of this is covered by your warrenty
short daily drives are hard on it as well
when the egr cooler went out did they replace the oil cooler as well they should have
I havent read about to many people getting a ford warrenty and having problems with a claim
so none of this is covered by your warrenty
short daily drives are hard on it as well